papasmurfbell Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 You want to compete in this league you better be prepared to shell out some bucks, joes contract is really a non issue as we have been told already that it will be restructured by bisquit himself. For how many years after our first sb win did we not invest heavily into our defense? And it got us nothing. We put all this money into ray lewis and the fact is without a beefy up front line he was average line backer, so we draft Ngata, we pay suggs we way over pay for Webby. Its a vicious cycle, we kept our d intact but then had to release a Jason brown, Todd heap...I would be willing to pay. I just would do it for a quality QB. I would pay Wilson right now. Quote
cravnravn Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 I would be willing to pay. I just would do it for a quality QB. I would pay Wilson right now.Wilson????? Lmao he's on a pace to have his worst year as a pro, but he has excuses right? Quote
papasmurfbell Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 He has had more consistent success than Joe has. He basically always makes the smart play. Dumb Joe is a pretty consistent member of the Ravens. Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 PLEASE, SHOW ME STATS COMPARING THEIR FIRST 3 SEASONS... Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 That just sounds insane...their stats from this year, sans rushing TDs, are practically identical Quote
papasmurfbell Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 It is more than stats. It is control. That offense starts right now with Lynch. Wilson has so many more intangibles on Joe it is crazy. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Intangibles are things that are not quantifiable. One for Joe was not practicing with his WR's when learning a new offense. Great QB's do that. Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Worked out great for TB's QB... Wilson had the advantage of retaining the same system...so they could work out and practice, sans coaches. Flacco could not, that's documented. Whole new system. Blame the CBA. Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Intangibles like Tebow had? Where did that get him? Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 His intangible of running? How much longer until that gets him injured? You're talking out your ass. Quote
OneManCypher Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 If you watch Russell Wilson play and compare that to how Joe Flacco plays and you tell me that Joe is the better Qb than you are a joke as a football player evaluator. Wilson's pocket awareness is far superior, his mobility is far superior, his decision making is far superior, he is just a smarter QB and it's not even close. I'm with Papa, i'd pay Wilson and Joe needs a pay cut. Quote
OneManCypher Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 His intangible of running? How much longer until that gets him injured? You're talking out your ass.Wilson is a smart runner, he gets out of bounds and slides when he needs to, how often have you seen Wilson take a big hit? Quote
OneManCypher Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Russell Wilson reminds me of Aaron Rodgers, but Wilson is just a notch below Rodgers at this point in there careers, but Wilson is only in his 3rd year. Flacco is in his 7th and still makes downright stupid plays. Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Joe makes plays that leave me wondering why, agreed. Had we known he would crap the bed, the year AFTER we paid him, then yeah...not the contract he got. We didn't though, and everything leading up the Super Bowl meant he was worth it. Not my money. Quote
GrubberRaven Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Geronimo goes away and now we get OneManCypher? Quote
papasmurfbell Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Worked out great for TB's QB... Wilson had the advantage of retaining the same system...so they could work out and practice, sans coaches. Flacco could not, that's documented. Whole new system. Blame the CBA.Whne was it TB had a QB with talent? That is why Joe should have thrown with them. He had a new offense to learn. I don't know that Wilson has thrown with his guys. His intangible of running? How much longer until that gets him injured? You're talking out your ass.Wilson is smart enough to go down early. He never gets hit hard. Intangibles like Tebow had? Where did that get him?What intangibles? The windup for the throw that brought the ball down to his knee? Quote
papasmurfbell Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Joe makes plays that leave me wondering why, agreed. Had we known he would crap the bed, the year AFTER we paid him, then yeah...not the contract he got. We didn't though, and everything leading up the Super Bowl meant he was worth it. Not my money.You did know what he was. You had his whole career of being up and down. You had yrs when he should have gotten away from Rookie istakes and he still made them. People decided to pay him because of 4 games. You are what you are. A guy can change but they tend to revert to what they innately are. Quote
Spen Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Geronimo goes away and now we get OneManCypher?Strange huh? Quote
cravnravn Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Geronimo goes away and now we get OneManCypher?Lol was thinking where Moe went to Quote
cravnravn Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 Russell Wilson reminds me of Aaron Rodgers, but Wilson is just a notch below Rodgers at this point in there careers, but Wilson is only in his 3rd year. Flacco is in his 7th and still makes downright stupid plays.That is fucking hysterical Quote
RavenMad Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 That is fucking hystericalYou f'ing right it is. Rodgers was still riding the pine in GB at the same point in their careers. That's probably Joe's fault as well. Quote
OneManCypher Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 You f'ing right it is. Rodgers was still riding the pine in GB at the same point in their careers. That's probably Joe's fault as well. That is fucking hystericalWhat's hysterical is that you two can't even comprehend what i'm comparing? at this point in there careers means (right now) , eventually i see Wilson being more accomplished and overtaking Rodgers, do you two nimrods comprender now? and what does comparing Wilson and Rodgers have to do with Joe? Quote
dc. Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 More perfume - more " S ". Of course there're other onerous contracts in the league but none more burdensome to their respective teams than those listed in the article. Joe Flacco with his contract is there front and center and is by far the most burdensome to the Ravens hands down no if ands or buts. See, now you're arguing my side. Joe's contract is burdensome. Those contracts are burdensome. But that doesn't equate to being bad contracts all by itself. You see, logic is a process here by which you build one truth or claim on top of another. We don't just get to lump claims together and decide they are all true at once. Meanwhile - of course Joe's contract is the most burdensome to the Ravens. Who is arguing that? All I said is that there are many burdensome contracts in the league, but we evaluate contracts by more than just how much of a burden they are - we also evaluate how valuable they are in terms of the person signed. You can say I'm trying to spin - that's fine. But if you pay any attention to my posts on any topic, you'll find I'm just more interested in having a clear discussion, which many are incapable of. Here's what I'm getting at - Joe's contract is a burden. Few will deny that. So the issue then becomes is he worth the burden? Which means we are getting back to the same stupid argument we always have here about how good Joe is. I call it stupid not because I am on one side or another, but simply because we have it all the damn time and the words never change. So what I'm really griping about here is that this article simply provides one more avenue to have the same conversation but pretends it's a new conversation. It's not. Quote
ForceEight Posted November 21, 2014 Posted November 21, 2014 That just sounds insane...their stats from this year, sans rushing TDs, are practically identical Yet this is likely still Flacco's best season statistically (2010 is the only argument to the contrary) and Wilson's worst. That's the point. Quote
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