Obama's got my vote

[vmax]

I don't want either of them to be in charge during these times, but it's clearly a lesser of 2 evils in my mind.

 

No way can I vote for Romney.

He'll have us drilling oil and burning coal which is like putting a bandaid on a mortal wound.

Going Green is the future or we'll have no future. It will create a whole new sector of long time employment and technology that this country can capitalize on. We can't wait...the planet can't wait 4 more years while Romney enriches his oil and coal pals. This has to take off now.

 

There's no quick fix for this economy, but a change in direction with an eye on what the world needs will end up being the quickest path to financial strength.

 

I can shoot a ton of holes in Obama's policy.. Nothing impresses me in Romney. The other candidates have no shot.

I think we can survive Obama's weaknesses but not Romney's.

 

No more is it a priveledge to vote in America. It's agony. It's a damn shame that out of a Nation of millions, with all our weath and fine education, we end up with such weak choices in a time of dire need.

Edited November 2, 2012 by vmax

[JPPT1974]

Well the election is five more days away. Hopefully it will be a good election. As I will leave it at that! Hope it is a good election!

[thundercleetz]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I strongly disagree on the implementation of green technologies. I'm for a balance in current energy sources with green initiatives. A lot of these newer technologies are not cost efficient to implement. We saw this first hand with the waste of $535 million of government funding of the bankrupt Solyndra. Let the private sector research these technologies to make them economically practical. Sure government incentives for green research is a good idea, but direct investment in R&D like we saw in Solyndra is dumb. There are millions of very smart individuals in this country. Just like any other technology, when there is a breakthrough an American will find it. Look at any other technological field and see how much advancement there is in a ten year period. Implementation of green technologies will come in time when it is economically practical.

 

I have very strong feelings about coal mining. These people have extremely tough lives and most of them only know coal mining. These skills are very specific, and there are simpy not any jobs out there for these workers with any sort of comparable salaries (yes you hear about the rich coal owners, but the workers themselves are paid a good premium for their dangerous profession). Local economies in states like West Virginia and Kentucky have been devastated restrictions against the mining industry. There is a way to efficiently implement clean burning coal technologies that would really boost these smaller communities. These are not futuristic technologies by any means. I am strongly Pro Coal and have a lot of respect for coal mining families. This industry has had massive layoffs and a lot of Midwest coal families are really struggling right now.

 

Oil drilling I am not as versed in. Here is what I do know about oil: it is not stationary. If we do not drill in Alaska, that same oil will be drilled dry by Russia. Canada will have no problem partnering with China for their new pipeline. Is oil drilling risky? I am really not sure, I don't know much about this topic. But other counties are not going to wait around.

 

I myself am voting for Gary Johnson. Sure he has no chance to win but his values align closest with mine, so that's what I am going for. As far as the other two candidates, I don't think our country's situation is nearly as drastic as most people paint it. We'll more than survive no matter who is elected president.

[deeshopper]

Max, you may want to edit your post to say you can shoot a bunch of holes in Obama's policy, not Obama himself. You know the Secret Service is less than an hour away.

[OutsideRzAcE]

Sure government incentives for green research is a good idea, but direct investment in R&D like we saw in Solyndra is dumb. There are millions of very smart individuals in this country. Just like any other technology, when there is a breakthrough an American will find it

 

You can't take that chance. Especially with americans falling behind in math and science, you have to push advancement. As Obama said in a recent interview "The country that controls new sources of energy, not just the traditional sources, is going to have a huge competitive advantage 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now." Green energy is the future, and you can't just assume America will get there first.

 

Great interview from Obama in the De Moins Register if you haven't read it already. The schmucks ended up endorsing Romney, but still, it's a good read.

 

The race shouldn't be this close. On the economy, we've tried tax cuts for the wealthy for the past 12 years. It DOESN'T work. Romney wants to futher cut taxes by 20% and it's going to hurt the middle class when he cuts things like the mortgage interest credit and child care credit to pay for it. Obama has tried to work with Republicans in congress (2 for 1 spending cuts in exchange for tax increases for the wealthy) and they've don't nothing but obstruct for the past 2 years in hopes of making the economy bad enough that Obama doesn't get re-elected. You don't reward them by giving them the presidency. The Tea Partiers like Cantor, Rand Paul, and McConnell need to lose their power and if Obama gets re-elected I think the more moderate republicans will see the big picture and finally start to speak up against them.

 

If people voted to protect their interests the race would not be this close. The republicans have long been good at getting people to vote against their interests.

[thundercleetz]

 

You can't take that chance. Especially with americans falling behind in math and science, you have to push advancement. As Obama said in a recent interview "The country that controls new sources of energy, not just the traditional sources, is going to have a huge competitive advantage 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now." Green energy is the future, and you can't just assume America will get there first.

 

I think we agree here. What I am saying is the investment should be in education and the school systems. Making college more affordable. Like you said, putting more of an emphasis on science and math in public education. I have told my wife many times, our kids are going to have science and math jammed down their throats. Picking and choosing green companies to invest in, that is not the government's job. Mindlessly throwing money around like that is a band-aid for the problem. As smart as these start-up innovators are in math and science, they have no idea how to run a company or how to work within a budget. Innovation has worked time and time in every other field in the past, let it work in the green field as well. To solve this problem you have to start from the ground up. Through innovation started in our educational institutions. Seriously, you supported the Solyndra investment?

 

The race shouldn't be this close. On the economy, we've tried tax cuts for the wealthy for the past 12 years. It DOESN'T work. Romney wants to futher cut taxes by 20% and it's going to hurt the middle class when he cuts things like the mortgage interest credit and child care credit to pay for it. Obama has tried to work with Republicans in congress (2 for 1 spending cuts in exchange for tax increases for the wealthy) and they've don't nothing but obstruct for the past 2 years in hopes of making the economy bad enough that Obama doesn't get re-elected. You don't reward them by giving them the presidency. The Tea Partiers like Cantor, Rand Paul, and McConnell need to lose their power and if Obama gets re-elected I think the more moderate republicans will see the big picture and finally start to speak up against them.

 

We'll just agree to disagree here on how these polcies will effect the middle and working classes and small businesses. Really no point in aruging. You said it yourself, "if people voted to protect their interests the race would not be this close" and that's what I am doing and that's what you're doing. Your comment about "moderate republicans will see the big picture and finally start to speak up against them." Yeah I can agree with that. But not in the sense of voting for Obama. I think the Republican party is hypocritical in general on a lot of social liberties when they claim to be "consitutional" (i.e. gay marriage, separation of church and state, birth control). IMO, them placing such a high priority on these issues is putting the party back 50 years, effect budget planning in a negative way, and delegitimizes the intelligence of party in the eyes of moderate and liberal voters. But to be fair, you could really say the same thing about Maryland Democrats when it comes to Senate and Congressional elections within the state and how terrible of a deficit we have had for years. I almost feel the Republican party would be better off losing this election so a lot of the social issues can be taken care of, so the parties platform will not be tied so much to constitutionally irrelevant social issues.

 

I am not supportive of the tactics of the Tea Party movement, but I think Rand Paul is brilliant. He is really more Libertarian than he is Republican. I am not sure if you have researched him much, but the guy has great ideas. Here is why I am voting for Gary Johnson: Romney or Obama, they are simply two sides of the same coin. Both candidates are basing their recovery platforms on what their big whig economic advisors are telling them. In short, economic theory. Theory that heavily caters toward interest groups for both parties. Neither candidate has identified hard spending cuts. Sure, they said they will cut certain programs, but the intention is to spend more in other areas. Two sides of the same coin.

 

Libertarians like Gary Johnson, Rand Paul, and Ron Paul have identified billions in wasteful government spending. Whether or not you agree with their ideas or not, they are based upon hard facts. Why are neither Obama or Romney offering to audit the fed? Seriously, who builds a budget without knowing for sure what you are currently spending? Why does neither candidate offer a constitution ammendment that requires a balanced budget every year? Simple, because they cannot guarantee whether or not their theory will actually work. They are basing everything on economic theory, and theory is not certain.

 

Papa posted a really good link a few weeks ago with Gary Johnson responding real time to the first presidential debate. I'd check it out. Really informative.

[vmax]

Max, you may want to edit your post to say you can shoot a bunch of holes in Obama's policy, not Obama himself. You know the Secret Service is less than an hour away.

 

I know my phone and computer are tapped! They have been trying to get me for years because I have knowledge of things they are not wanting you to know!

Should they get me, I'll just tell them that I'm the Leader of the Ant Men and Destroyer of Worlds! I'm an Inverted Dolphin! Check my drivers license fools!

[papasmurfbell]

Hey you are in MD so you can not vote for Obama and be fine knowing that Romney will not be helped. I am voting Johnson.

[oldcrow]

so long, and thanks for all the fish

[papasmurfbell]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/nightmare-scenario-election-night-might-not-end-110543635.html

 

This is fantastic. It will never end.

[vmax]

Watch...the margin of victory will be so slight that it will come down to the votes of these two fine West Virginia citizens....

 

Let me get serious again.

The two party system is a liability for this country. It no longer works for the highest good for everyone involved.

If you are not a democrat or republican, then you have no shot at the Presidency.....uh....no chance to be President...

I'm voting for Obama because the polls are so tight. Otherwise I'd vote for anybody who's not a Democrat or Republican.

Papa...you make a good point...I'm in Maryland and it will go for Obama so maybe I should rethink this and vote for "Anybody Else".

[papasmurfbell]

Are you sure they are from WV? They have a look of the mountains of PA.

[vmax]

Are you sure they are from WV? They have a look of the mountains of PA.

 

yea...kinda like Pittsburgh....ahhh Pittsburgh! The memories....

 

Now we have to stop this!....this is a serious thread...I have to figure out who to vote for.

[oldcrow]

EINS, ZWEI, G'SUFFA!!!!!

 

j

[cravnravn]

When Barry, gets Fla, he gets the election, we are already voting down here..I was going to vote tomorrow, but tomorrow is Beach/Breeders Cup Day so there will be alcohol involved..So no, Im hoping the latino vote carries Obama to a very large margin of victory.

 

At all costs, Mitt must not be allowed at 1600 Pennsylvania Av..

[Spen]

I don't want either of them to be in charge during these times, but it's clearly a lesser of 2 evils in my mind.

 

No way can I vote for Romney.

He'll have us drilling oil and burning coal which is like putting a bandaid on a mortal wound.

Going Green is the future or we'll have no future. It will create a whole new sector of long time employment and technology that this country can capitalize on. We can't wait...the planet can't wait 4 more years while Romney enriches his oil and coal pals. This has to take off now.

 

There's no quick fix for this economy, but a change in direction with an eye on what the world needs will end up being the quickest path to financial strength.

 

I can shoot a ton of holes in Obama's policy.. Nothing impresses me in Romney. The other candidates have no shot.

I think we can survive Obama's weaknesses but not Romney's.

 

No more is it a priveledge to vote in America. It's agony. It's a damn shame that out of a Nation of millions, with all our weath and fine education, we end up with such weak choices in a time of dire need.

 

 

I feel the same way, I think he is far from perfect but I think Obama is a good person and I just do not feel the same way about Mitt. I dont like Mitt's "business background" and I hate American royalty.

Plus as silly as it is, laugh about terrifying a pet over and over and it shows me how suspect you are as a human.

 

The system is flawed, each party is too important - more important than the candidates themselves.

[oldcrow]

When Barry, gets Fla, he gets the election, we are already voting down here..I was going to vote tomorrow, but tomorrow is Beach/Breeders Cup Day so there will be alcohol involved..So no, Im hoping the latino vote carries Obama to a very large margin of victory.

 

At all costs, Mitt must not be allowed at 1600 Pennsylvania Av..

 

i saw a report where Gov Scott reduced the early voting there and poeple are standing in line 5 hrs to vote early plus

Dade and Brevard have the wrong ballots and some ballots in the state are 25 pages long

25 pages ??!!!

 

oh well, it's all so wrong. The people lose out the most.

 

is it too early for a Kahlua n Crem

[cravnravn]

They extended voting a few hours Sat night because of the large turnout, I have my sample ballot..and to be honest I havent been here long enough to voice an opinion on the other 50 boxes, Im only interested in one box today..

[OutsideRzAcE]

You said it yourself, "if people voted to protect their interests the race would not be this close" and that's what I am doing and that's what you're doing. Your comment about "moderate republicans will see the big picture and finally start to speak up against them." Yeah I can agree with that. But not in the sense of voting for Obama.

 

What I meant is that the more moderate republicans in the House need to reclaim the repubican party from the Tea Party extreme right. These officials that put party before the good of the country (i.e. Mitch "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." McConnell) all need to be marginalized in favor of party members that are willing to actually look for areas to compromise instead of just blocking every piece of legislation the white house puts forth. What good does it do to turn even the most trivial thing like a debt ceiling increase (something that has been done 40 times in the past 30 years) into a long drawn out fight - one that ended up costing the country over a billion dollars? Enough with the fillabusters, enough with contesting every judicial nominee at an unprecedented rates. And all for what - as part of some selfish plan to stall the recovery enough so you could say 'see...look Obama hasn't done anything?'

 

I have read a little about Gary Johnson, but since PA is up for grabs I have to make my choice between Obama and Romney. For me that is a pretty easy choice.

[vmax]

I voted!

[papasmurfbell]

So the people verified what was presumable when the GOP nominated Mitt. He was a poor canidate.

[thundercleetz]

So the people verified what was presumable when the GOP nominated Mitt. He was a poor canidate.

 

He had no personal relation to the average American. Someone used the term "American Royalty" in another post. I think that describes him. After eight years of Bush, and only four years removed from Bush, Romney was too similar. The Republican party really needs to regroup. The focus needs to be focused on fiscal conservativism and opposed to such a heavy focus on social conservativism (which ends up negatively effecting fiscal policy). The platform of Gary Johnson should be what the Republican party stands for. Until they make that change they will not win another presidential election for a long time.

[papasmurfbell]

It was not just that. He does not stand for anything. He had 2 or more positions on about every issue. Had they nominated Paul Obama woudl have lost in a landslide.

 

I am pleased with Col and Wash legalizing weed. Also Mass going for medical use.

[oldcrow]

It was not just that. He does not stand for anything. He had 2 or more positions on about every issue. Had they nominated Paul Obama woudl have lost in a landslide.

 

I am pleased with Col and Wash legalizing weed. Also Mass going for medical use.

 

i agree although Col n Wash still have a huge battle but it's nice to see it happen one foot in the door

medical marijuana should be a NO BRAINER how could a person deny another a substance that helps a personal issue

very impressed also that the U.S. Senate has the most women ever possibly 21

[papasmurfbell]

Easy. The pharma copanies want to make a pill that has the compounds that help so they can make a ton of money. They don't want to have to compete with a plant.