deeshopper Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Replaced by quarterbacks coach, apparently. As being reported by Adam Schefter. Story developing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 The Baltimore Ravens dismissed offensive coordinator Cam Cameron and replaced him with quarterbacks coach Jim Caldwell, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter. Cameron's dismissal comes after the Ravens' overtime loss to the Redskins on Sunday, their second straight defeat.Cameron joined the Ravens in 2008 after he was fired as the coach of the Dolphins following a 1-15 season.Caldwell joined the Ravens after being fired by the Colts following Indianapolis' 2-14 season in 2011. http://espn.go.com/n...ab-jim-caldwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 HAHAHA. I bet this distroyed Harbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Caldwell's never called a play. But Cam should be gone. There is too much talent on offense to be consistentlyvranked in the middle of the pack.The final "no try for points at the end of the first half did it for me. This was Steve "we like a fire under Cam" Bichiotti's call. He threw gas on that fire.Maybe Joe's input and comments did him in also. Let's hope Joe takes off like Rivers and Breed did once Cam was removed from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 This offense might bet worse this season than it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think at the very least this move will improve communication between the players and the gameplan. Cam was notorious for next taking player input and being inflexible with the gameplan. If we are going to commit to Joe the next five or six years we need to know if he is the problem or if Cam is the problem. Firing Cam is the only way to find out for sure what type of QB Joe is. If Joe excels under Caldwell, great. If not, and Norv Turner is out there, get Norv. If Joe cannot excel under Norv, then he never will. But that is down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeyjon Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 WOW. Unexpected. As much as I hate to say it I wish they had waited until after the season though. I hope they prove me wrong! edit: More accurately I wish they had done it before the season, but you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Desperate times call for desperate measures. Well, it will be a small small sample size (3 reg season games; hopefully post season) for the Flacco/Caldwell experiment.Oh well, sometimes you've got to mix things up. Maybe change will be good and give Joe a new lease on life. Besides, Caldwell is bound to give Rice more touches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robjr83 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 This move has only been 1 1/2 years in the making. It should have happened after Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It should have happened after NE in Jan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You guys want to read somethign really interesting read this topic over on the Orioles Hangout: http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/128862-Cam-Cameron-Fired!-Replaced-by-Caldwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Every week Harbaugh talks about getting better. The offense hasn't done that since he's been here. .....The offense just seemed stuck in neutral, forever caught in various philosophical quandaries. To run or pass more? To huddle or not? To give the quarterback more authority or not? Some days were better than others, but there was always something to fret about.....But I can’t blame Harbaugh for making the move. The offense is 16th in passing, 17th in rushing and ranked near the bottom of the league in time of possession. It was the same old story, blah, blah, blah. Barring a major reversal, Cameron probably was gone after this season anyway......http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Timing-Of-Bold-Move-Speaks-Volumes/3bbb6598-4504-4720-9a9a-2a117e221708.. This does smack of desperation. The main message???Everybody's on the hot seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 You guys want to read somethign really interesting read this topic over on the Orioles Hangout: http://forum.orioles...ced-by-Caldwell Thanks cleetz! The talk about the team mutiny meeting being about Cam and his play calling is interesting. Also the Ozzie told Joe's agent this is his last year...and Rice being upset.Some or all of that may be true. If so...congrats to Harbaugh for listening to his players, stepping up and making the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Cam had to go but it sure would have been better in last year's off-season rather than now...I think. Would've given time to install a new offense (that would actually include slants, routes over the middle, and WR screens that work). Still, a move like this sure shakes things up and a shakeup was needed. Maybe NOW they'll play McKinnie at LT, move Oher back to RT, make Osemele the RG and put Williams in at LG. Still not ideal but better I think than the way its set up now. Joe must like this but now the heat is really on him to produce---no more excuses. If he wants a new contract here that pays him top money he has to perform like a top QB and not just have 'potential'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 One more thing: Cam has always shown an inability to adapt to the other teams defense during the game. Finally, does anybody notice that in DC they set up the offense to take into account RGIII strengths. I don't like Shannahan but what his OC has done with the Redskins this year is pretty special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Finally, does anybody notice that in DC they set up the offense to take into account RGIII strengths. I don't like Shannahan but what his OC has done with the Redskins this year is pretty special. It's also getting him killed. Probably be ok if they only needed him for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Hey Max the point is you adjust your offensive philosophy to to match the personnel you have not the other way around that Cam did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 If we are going to commit to Joe the next five or six years we need to know if he is the problem or if Cam is the problem. Firing Cam is the only way to find out for sure what type of QB Joe is. I was thinking the same thing. It would explain the suddenness of the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I like the team mutiny meeting theory.Maybe something will leak out about that over the next few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I like the team mutiny meeting theory.Maybe something will leak out about that over the next few days. That would make me feel a lot better about the team vs just rebelling against Harbs. BTW Who is that Miller192 guy and how does he have so much inside info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Thanks cleetz! The talk about the team mutiny meeting being about Cam and his play calling is interesting. Also the Ozzie told Joe's agent this is his last year...and Rice being upset.Some or all of that may be true. If so...congrats to Harbaugh for listening to his players, stepping up and making the change. So another near mutiny about a month after the last one. Sure John has everything under control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 So another near mutiny about a month after the last one. Sure John has everything under control. Not another mutiny. They are saying the original mutiny was not about playing in pads but rather about they team's distaste for Cam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 OK. I just was not going to read all those pages of posts. So the players were pissed about Cam a month ago and John settled it down. Am I getting it right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 That would make me feel a lot better about the team vs just rebelling against Harbs. BTW Who is that Miller192 guy and how does he have so much inside info? He has been posting on that board for years now. He has reported a lot of news before it has happened. His sources are legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) Cam is a prophet as to what we seen today.. Joe hope you can live on 27.50 an hour, caus thats all you are worth, if that Edited December 17, 2012 by cravnravn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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