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papasmurfbell, on 30 January 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

So he was in Indy to make him so great in 1999 and 2000? Caldwell did zippos to help make Manning a better QB. Off with the glasses and defending the indencible. Caldwell was brought in because Cam knows he is weak and is not a threat to Cam running the offense. The question is how did Cam convince John this was a good idea.

Pagono grabbed the good OC on the market.

So the Ravens are in the business of hiring weak personnel to satisfy Cam's ego? I doubt that.

I also seriously doubt that Cam lobbied to bring in a weaker individual so that he could have absolute power.

I also dont believe that John is in the business of appeasing anyone. He makes the decisiins that he feels put the Ravens in position to win. He's doing a good job of that.

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Cam gets to hire and fire the guys he wants with Harbs permission. He fired Zorn last yr. Zorn had a position and Cam didn't like it.

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papasmurfbell, on 31 January 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Cam gets to hire and fire the guys he wants with Harbs permission. He fired Zorn last yr. Zorn had a position and Cam didn't like it.

And the Ravens won more games and went deeper in the playoffs. Sounds like it may have been a good decision.

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And Joe had his worst season as a pro with nobody between them.

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papasmurfbell, on 31 January 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

And Joe had his worst season as a pro with nobody between them.

Hey, his completion percentage was better than Tebow's... by a little.

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Tebow isn't a QB (really). He is also only in his 2nd yr. So that is an apples and oranges argument.

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papasmurfbell, on 31 January 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Tebow isn't a QB (really). He is also only in his 2nd yr. So that is an apples and oranges argument.

Again... was joke.

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Wins amd losses gentlemen, it's hard to argue when the team improved.

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papasmurfbell, on 31 January 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Cam gets to hire and fire the guys he wants with Harbs permission. He fired Zorn last yr. Zorn had a position and Cam didn't like it.

No he doesn't.

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I was trying to find the article but can't. I do remember he put his staff together in 2008.

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papasmurfbell, on 01 February 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

I was trying to find the article but can't. I do remember he put his staff together in 2008.

And it was Harbaugh that disassembled it putting the job on Cam. The result, we beat Pitt twice, swept the division, secured a first round bye, and played in the AFC championship game. Not too shabby.

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Disassembled what?

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papasmurfbell, on 02 February 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

Disassembled what?

Aren't we talking about the staff that Cam put together, Zorn, Saunders etc. Harbaugh made the decision to fire them and put the job solely on Cam. The result, we won more games and went farther in the playoffs. The beginning of the season was tough with a learning curve, but it's hard to argue with the late season results.

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Well Zorn was only a yr if I am recalling corectly. Others got jobs elsewhere. How do you know Harbs fired Zorn? The team let him go so that could have been Cam's idea again with Harbs.

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papasmurfbell, on 02 February 2012 - 06:11 PM, said:

Well Zorn was only a yr if I am recalling corectly. Others got jobs elsewhere. How do you know Harbs fired Zorn? The team let him go so that could have been Cam's idea again with Harbs.

You are a child. "could have been" lol

Look Harbaugh announced it in one of his pressers past offseason. Joe was pretty upset about it. It was also detailed by Preston, just concede a point to somebody.

Now it matters if they are only a one year hire?

So.....if they're only there a year and the Head Coach chooses to let him go, it doesn't count and it was probably Cam's idea anyway?

Regardless if it was Cam's idea, it ended up being the right call, we won more games, beat Pitt twice, and went deeper in the playoffs. Those are facts. We also had a brutal schedule. We slipped against some easy teams, but what does that matter? The Pats didn't be a team with a winning record till they faced us.

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yagersports, on 03 February 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

Regardless if it was Cam's idea, it ended up being the right call, we won more games, beat Pitt twice, and went deeper in the playoffs. Those are facts. We also had a brutal schedule. We slipped against some easy teams, but what does that matter? The Pats didn't be a team with a winning record till they faced us.

You could argue that mattison leaving had more to do with that than losing Zorn. With Zorn we held a 2-score led on Pittsburgh and New England and blew the leads.

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You could argue, but I think it would be a stretch. Harbaugh has done alot right to get everything moving in the same direction and I think that he needed to let everyone know that this wasn't going to be a coaching carousel. I like it, consistency. I don't like Cam, but I can't argue the success. So, in my eyes, until the success is no longer there, I really don't have the ground to criticize too loudly. I can nit pick, but that's just a waste of time.

You could also argue that Pagano had his problems as well, letting up points to Zona and Seattle while having no answer for SD. I prefer to look at the body of work because in any given NFL season you can find 1 or 2 games that just leaves a coach and team going......"What just happened out there?".

To be clear though, I was no fan of Mattison and I think him leaving had as much to do with the coaching position he took as well as the writing on the wall. He knew that Harbs was going to have to make the tough call. (Maybe not though, Harbs does believe in consistency as I previously stated.....hmmm now I'm second guessing myself lol)

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yagersports, on 03 February 2012 - 07:31 AM, said:

You are a child. "could have been" lol

Look Harbaugh announced it in one of his pressers past offseason. Joe was pretty upset about it. It was also detailed by Preston, just concede a point to somebody.

Now it matters if they are only a one year hire?

So.....if they're only there a year and the Head Coach chooses to let him go, it doesn't count and it was probably Cam's idea anyway?

Regardless if it was Cam's idea, it ended up being the right call, we won more games, beat Pitt twice, and went deeper in the playoffs. Those are facts. We also had a brutal schedule. We slipped against some easy teams, but what does that matter? The Pats didn't be a team with a winning record till they faced us.

That is an unproveable point.

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yagersports, on 03 February 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

You could argue, but I think it would be a stretch. Harbaugh has done alot right to get everything moving in the same direction and I think that he needed to let everyone know that this wasn't going to be a coaching carousel. I like it, consistency. I don't like Cam, but I can't argue the success. So, in my eyes, until the success is no longer there, I really don't have the ground to criticize too loudly. I can nit pick, but that's just a waste of time.

You could also argue that Pagano had his problems as well, letting up points to Zona and Seattle while having no answer for SD. I prefer to look at the body of work because in any given NFL season you can find 1 or 2 games that just leaves a coach and team going......"What just happened out there?".

To be clear though, I was no fan of Mattison and I think him leaving had as much to do with the coaching position he took as well as the writing on the wall. He knew that Harbs was going to have to make the tough call. (Maybe not though, Harbs does believe in consistency as I previously stated.....hmmm now I'm second guessing myself lol)

Seattle and Arizona were both special teams-affected... David Reed and Patrick Peterson...

Against San Diego Webb didn't play, J. smith got destroyed in his "welcome to the NFL" game... (so did Arizona's Peterson by Hakeem Nicks, though, so no big deal)

Pagano wasn't perfect by any means - but his unit was a drastic upgrade over Mattison is my point. Hopefully Peas builds on that success.

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SpearSrai, on 03 February 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Seattle and Arizona were both special teams-affected... David Reed and Patrick Peterson...

Against San Diego Webb didn't play, J. smith got destroyed in his "welcome to the NFL" game... (so did Arizona's Peterson by Hakeem Nicks, though, so no big deal)

Pagano wasn't perfect by any means - but his unit was a drastic upgrade over Mattison is my point. Hopefully Peas builds on that success.

Agreed on that front. I have high hopes for Peas.