papasmurfbell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Coaches usually have bad seasons to start their tenures. Some turn out to do fantastic others stay bad. You don't know what you have until you let it play out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Both are the same thing. Just after giving a long term contract you fire the guy. It is rare but it does happen.Not the same thing at all. The money involved is drastically different. An established Super Bowl winning coach getting an extension (Billick) is going to be making a lot more money than a first time head coach (Chud). You know what you have in an established coach, first time head coach could certainly flourish down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 But He has done what you paid him to do. You don't need to do extra. He fulfilled expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 (edited) I don't care what owners or GM's pay coaches because it doesn't count against the cap.Just don't get cheap if you have a good one. Edited January 19, 2014 by vmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Let's just hope the Biscuit doesn't do a Peter Angelos move and skimp on the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Let's just hope the Biscuit doesn't do a Peter Angelos move and skimp on the guy.I think one thing we can safely say is that Bisciotti has always paid top dollar when it's deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I think Bisciotti would be the first person to tell you where he is as an owner today is light years ahead of where he was ten years, even five years ago. I'm sure Bisciotti today wouldn't have given Billick the extension. On the same token Bisciotti made the gut decision to fire Billick one year into the deal. How many owners would have done that and ate that dead cash? Ended up winning us a Super Bowl and many playoff games. Remember Billick only won ONE playoff game after the 2000 Super Bowl, and that was the year after. No playoff wins after that. It you want to talk getting duped, we are lucky that Jason Garrett turned down the job. Bisciotti was ready to hand him the keys to the kingdom. To be fair to Billick, he also took the youngest startting roster in NFl history to a very good season. After the Super Bowl and following season, the team was beset with injuries to key players. Also to bad moves by the front office both in free agency and draft. Sure, Billick had avoice in those moves, but not the final say, that was Ozzie, Steve and the staff... Add to it, Cass, while good with the cap, is not as creative as he could be, as many others are in the league. A team is not just the players, nor just the coach. Sometimes a player needs the right coaching to succeed. Other times, the coach needs the right player. Best example of this is Nick Marshal of Auburn. With Georgia, an average safety. With Auburn, a very good college quarterback. Billick's biggest weakness was thinking he could make anyone a star with his offense. Ozzie's is not valuing the offensive line. Think back to the 2001 season, a decent right tackle makes the block long enough for Elvis to hit Ismail down the right side, rather than being hit as he throws. That is a 14 pt swing right there to start the game. If Q is able to catch that ball, he scores. But Brookings and Swayne whiff on the block. Billick lost the team, they stopped listening to him, he could not motivate them anymore with his special treatment of star players. Yes, every team does, but not to the extent Billick allowed. That is why he was fired, Steve knew, Billick knew, a change had to be made. Contrary to popular Billick hate reports, he could have had another job coaching, but chose, for family and his health, to go to the booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Good points tsylvester. In 2001 a healthy Searcy would have been the answer but he and Jamal go down in camp...I was there and my first thought was "There goes the season". The injuries continued and Grbac found himself in the same situation as Joe this past year....no running game and an open highway at RT.Billick brought accountability to the organization and structure. He introduced high tech to the players and staff. He cultived attitude, passion and swagger. His greatest contribution was going to the darkside and finding the winning formula for the players that he had in 2000.Then is was the long years of slappie QB's. They are called coach killers today. That killed him as much as anything because the defense was good.I liked Billick but it was time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 To be fair to Billick, he also took the youngest startting roster in NFl history to a very good season. After the Super Bowl and following season, the team was beset with injuries to key players. Also to bad moves by the front office both in free agency and draft. Sure, Billick had avoice in those moves, but not the final say, that was Ozzie, Steve and the staff... Add to it, Cass, while good with the cap, is not as creative as he could be, as many others are in the league. A team is not just the players, nor just the coach. Sometimes a player needs the right coaching to succeed. Other times, the coach needs the right player. Best example of this is Nick Marshal of Auburn. With Georgia, an average safety. With Auburn, a very good college quarterback. Billick's biggest weakness was thinking he could make anyone a star with his offense. Ozzie's is not valuing the offensive line. Think back to the 2001 season, a decent right tackle makes the block long enough for Elvis to hit Ismail down the right side, rather than being hit as he throws. That is a 14 pt swing right there to start the game. If Q is able to catch that ball, he scores. But Brookings and Swayne whiff on the block. Billick lost the team, they stopped listening to him, he could not motivate them anymore with his special treatment of star players. Yes, every team does, but not to the extent Billick allowed. That is why he was fired, Steve knew, Billick knew, a change had to be made. Contrary to popular Billick hate reports, he could have had another job coaching, but chose, for family and his health, to go to the booth.He was desperatly trying to get a new job after the Ravens money stopped. He was asking for the Bills job yrs ago. Good points tsylvester. In 2001 a healthy Searcy would have been the answer but he and Jamal go down in camp...I was there and my first thought was "There goes the season". The injuries continued and Grbac found himself in the same situation as Joe this past year....no running game and an open highway at RT.Billick brought accountability to the organization and structure. He introduced high tech to the players and staff. He cultived attitude, passion and swagger. His greatest contribution was going to the darkside and finding the winning formula for the players that he had in 2000.Then is was the long years of slappie QB's. They are called coach killers today. That killed him as much as anything because the defense was good.I liked Billick but it was time to move on.Searcy was always hurt so that was no shocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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