papasmurfbell Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/17/rice-appeal-could-hinge-on-private-meeting-with-goodell/ Rice appeal could hinge on private meeting with GoodellThe appeal of Ray Rice’s indefinite suspension will find out what the NFL knew and when the NFL knew it about what happened inside that Atlantic City elevator. To get there, the hearing officer will have to assess the accuracy and credibility of a variety of witnesses who said things and/or heard things said when Rice explained the incident.Ravens G.M. Ozzie Newsome said last week that Rice didn’t lie to Newsome. Since Newsome was in the room when Rice met with Commissioner Roger Goodell in June, that sets up a potential dispute between Newsome’s recollection of Rice’s remarks and Goodell’s.But Newsome said something else last week that will raise the stakes on the looming effort to figure out who’s telling the truth and who isn’t.“We had a meeting but also Ray and Janay and Roger had a separate meeting and a story was told in that meeting,” Newsome said. “So what was said during the meeting between the three could have been a lot different than what was said when the eight of us were in a room together.”Ultimately, the question of whether Rice lied could come down to the credibility of the testimony from Rice, his wife, and Goodell regarding the statements made during that meeting. Since the NFL makes no transcript of these meetings, there’s no way to know with certainty what was said.Goodell’s decision to meet privately with Rice and his wife makes Goodell a central witness to the question of whether the NFL knew what was on the tape, and it makes it even more important that a truly independent party with no direct or indirect ties to Goodell be responsible for getting to the truth.Now the question is do you believe the Rice's or Goodell who had to backtrack several times in the span of 1 week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/19/ravens-brace-for-major-story-about-mishandling-of-rice-case/ Ravens brace for major story about mishandling of Rice caseAs the Commissioner was facing the music after 10 days of invisibility, the Ravens were bracing for a potential storm.Multiple sources tell PFT that the Ravens expect a major investigative story to soon be published regarding the team’s mishandling of the Ray Rice case.Some claim that the looming report has sparked an “emergency meeting” in the Ravens’ front office. It’s our understanding that a meeting already had been scheduled, and that the emergence of concern regarding an upcoming report about the situation was coincidental.Either way, it appears that more will soon be known about the Ravens’ role in whatever did and didn’t happen, and whatever anyone knew or didn’t know about the situation.Which, depending on the specific contents of the report, could result in even more scrutiny of the team and the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I can see Ozzie stepping down over this. Biscut no dout called the meeting to make sure Ozzie would go along, make it out that it is possible Ray & Janay lied to Goody. I don't see Ozzie, who is a sure bet Hall of Famer and stand up guy to go along with the cover up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Ozzie has already publicly challenged the Ravens official narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornado700 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I can see Ozzie stepping down over this. Biscut no dout called the meeting to make sure Ozzie would go along, make it out that it is possible Ray & Janay lied to Goody. I don't see Ozzie, who is a sure bet Hall of Famer and stand up guy to go along with the cover up.I disagee. Ray told Goodell exactly what happened before the video surfaced. Goodell is now in a CYA mode, saying that Rice's story was inconsistent to what he saw on the video. BULLSHEET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yeah Ray told the truth. Biscotti said the Ray lied backing Goodell. Steve is directly involved in the coverup. Ozzie didn't keep his mouth shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 More disgusting news: http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ray-rice-baltimore-ravens-displayed-pattern-of-misinformation-misdirection-report-says-091914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Take the Browns in this game, this will nto sit well with the players.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 Take the Browns in this game, this will nto sit well with the players....Hell no, everything is speculation at this point, Ravens roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/24/ray-rice-hires-peter-ginsberg/ Ray Rice hires Peter GinsbergThe Ray Rice appeal just got a lot more interesting. Potentially.Rice recently hired Peter Ginsberg to represent the former Raven in the appeal of his indefinite suspension. Ginsberg has a history of litigation against the league, including the StarCaps case brought by former Vikings defensive tackles Pat and Kevin Williams and former Saints linebackerJonathan Vilma in the bounty case.The first question is whether Ginsberg will agree to postpone the appeal hearing beyond the current deadline of Tuesday, September 30. Previously, it appeared that the NFL and NFLPA were inclined to push back the hearing date.Per a source with knowledge of the situation, a conference call or meeting will be conducted in the near future to outline the strategy for proceeding. That strategy could indeed commence with an effort to press for the appeal to be heard by September 30, or for the suspension to be overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The league shouldn't have to wait (or rely on a guilty verdict from) the legal system. I understand the concerns, but the reality is that the league is worried about appearances (and should be), so they get to do what they want in regards to what makes them look "cleanest." No different from getting to suspend a guy for cursing on the field... totally not illegal, but all about appearances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I think it is such a beautiful thing to see a white man tell a black man to stop using a term the white mans ancestry made up to denigrate the black mans ancestry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The league shouldn't have to wait (or rely on a guilty verdict from) the legal system. I understand the concerns, but the reality is that the league is worried about appearances (and should be), so they get to do what they want in regards to what makes them look "cleanest." No different from getting to suspend a guy for cursing on the field... totally not illegal, but all about appearances. I don't know. What happens if the case ends in all charges being dismissed because the player did nothing wrong? Then you have suspended a player and have withheld money from them while all along they were innocent! This is going to end in tears somewhere along the way. A punishment before a guilty verdict must be against the US Constitution surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 I totally get it, but do you let a guy play for a year while a trial waits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) If you believe in innocent until proven guilty, but in this case with the video out there publically, it changes that meaning. Edited September 25, 2014 by cravnravn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The bottom line is that a company (a private entity) has no responsibility to even care if you are guilty or not. If your appearance hurts them or their brand, they get the last say. Maybe we shouldn't go that far - I don't really like it - but that doesn't change the reality of media relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 The bottom line is that a company (a private entity) has no responsibility to even care if you are guilty or not. If your appearance hurts them or their brand, they get the last say. Maybe we shouldn't go that far - I don't really like it - but that doesn't change the reality of media relations.True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/03/judge-jones-looks-like-an-ideal-choice-to-handle-rice-appeal/ Judge Jones looks like an ideal choice to handle Rice appealInitial research regarding former Judge Barbara S. Jones, now a partner with the law firm of Zuckerman Spaedel, shows that she is an ideal choice to serve as the hearing officer in the appeal of Ray Rice’s indefinite suspension.Before ascending to the bench, Judge Jones worked as a prosecutor, targeting the mafia. According to her online bio, she tried one of the first criminal cases under the federal RICO law against the Bonanno crime family, and she served as chief of the Organized Crime Strike Force in Manhattan. In that position, Judge Jones coordinated the investigation that took down the leaders of the “Five Families” in New York.According to a 2011 article from the Wall Street Journal, Judge Jones presided over the trial of Autumn Jackson, who was convicted of trying to extort $40 million from Bill Cosby by claiming to be his illegitimate daughter. Judge Jones handled the trial of former Worldcom CEO Bernie Ebbers in 2005. Both Jackson and Ebbers were convicted.In her current work at the Zuckerman Spaedel law firm, Judge Jones focuses in part on conducting internal investigations. And she has no reason to go easy on the NFL; the only tentacle between the league and Zuckerman Spaedel is the firm’s involvement in the Mike Webster pension dispute. And the firm worked in that case not on behalf of the NFL, but on behalf of the Webster estate.So, yes, Judge Jones appears to be the ideal choice to handle the appeal hearing. She’s so ideal for the assignment that she probably should have been hired to be the independent investigator instead of Robert Mueller, whose firm has too many connections to the NFL to permit the investigation to have the appearance of independence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Cant wait til he goes away, hes caused enough embarassment to the Fans, the team, the city and to himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 He is fighting for his money now. I would think the NFLPA and his lawyers have said he will never play again. Maybe he is fulling himself into thinking there is a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 maybe in Canada or arena league, no NFL owner is going to touch him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Canada has said they will uphold the suspension. Also I would not play for so little money if I were him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 He can live off the millions he got for bonus money. I think any of us could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 He can live off the millions he got for bonus money. I think any of us could.Come on you know the stats of ex players and being in financial trouble. He will sue. That is his only option to make a sizable score now. Does he have his degree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Come on you know the stats of ex players and being in financial trouble. He will sue. That is his only option to make a sizable score now. Does he have his degree?We have no idea what this guy has done with his money. Either way, he's been paid and I could care less about him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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