It is now time to talk about the draft

[TBird]

No we weren't. Bellicheat called his pal Ozzie and said

Jones is on the phone. They want DEZ. Do you want

to match their offer and Oz said no thanks so Dallas

moved up and got DEZ who had a ton of red flags

and was an embarrassment for a couple of years like

getting arrested for beating up his mom and a

disturbing the peace with a big party late at night

and getting sued for millions for not paying his

credit card debt.

 

He finally grew up and turned into a legit # 1 pick

but he kept Jerry up at nights.

 

Ozzie could have had him but didn't want him./

[TBird]

Looks like RB Mel Gordon is back in the pic for Ravens if

he's there on draft day and he could be. After Forsett signed

it didn't look like Ravens needed a RB but with Pierce, Oz

might draft Gordon now.

 

McShay said over a month ago he'd be a good fit for the

Ravens system and one of the Ravens coaches was his

college coach. Kiper's first mock had us taking him, but

switched to Maxx Williams, TE in his 2.0 Mock.

 

All that said, don't be surprised to see Ozzie take another pass

rusher with Ngat's departure although the de-line is deep now

after Guy and Canty were signed and Urban is coming back

along with KLM. Both were injured for the entire year after

showing much promise in camp last summer.

[tsylvester]

They won' draft a runing back at 26, history shows they can find one later or even undrafted. With Toussaint and Tali, a rookie would be 4th on the depth chart, hardly worth wasting a pick that high on a runningback. Plus, Gordon won't likely last that long, pedning what the Iggles do...

 

A pass rusher like Dupre, maybe, (they should be able to get him in the 2n or even 3rd) but then they have a a ton of young talent on the defensive line, those you mentioned plus Bilukidi, Lewis-Moore, Means, Tyson, who was "dino-nugget-might last year, Thompson, who they need to find out more about in game situations.

[papasmurfbell]

No we weren't. Bellicheat called his pal Ozzie and said

Jones is on the phone. They want DEZ. Do you want

to match their offer and Oz said no thanks so Dallas

moved up and got DEZ who had a ton of red flags

and was an embarrassment for a couple of years like

getting arrested for beating up his mom and a

disturbing the peace with a big party late at night

and getting sued for millions for not paying his

credit card debt.

 

He finally grew up and turned into a legit # 1 pick

but he kept Jerry up at nights.

 

Ozzie could have had him but didn't want him./

Not to mention if the reports are true Dez has not been keeping his nose clean in recent yrs. I could not give a high pick let alone big money to someone with that many red flags.

 

 

They won' draft a runing back at 26, history shows they can find one later or even undrafted. With Toussaint and Tali, a rookie would be 4th on the depth chart, hardly worth wasting a pick that high on a runningback. Plus, Gordon won't likely last that long, pedning what the Iggles do...

 

A pass rusher like Dupre, maybe, (they should be able to get him in the 2n or even 3rd) but then they have a a ton of young talent on the defensive line, those you mentioned plus Bilukidi, Lewis-Moore, Means, Tyson, who was "dino-nugget-might last year, Thompson, who they need to find out more about in game situations.

I still think offensive skill position other than RB is the way to go at #1.

[oldno82]

Not to mention if the reports are true Dez has not been keeping his nose clean in recent yrs. I could not give a high pick let alone big money to someone with that many red flags.

 

 

I still think offensive skill position other than RB is the way to go at #1.

Yep, a TE or WR should be our Round 1 priority.

[oldno82]

The last 2 years, comp picks were announced before end of March.

 

We're up for 3 this year?

[tsylvester]

The last 2 years, comp picks were announced before end of March.

 

We're up for 3 this year?

 

 

They will announce the official comp picks next week, likely Monday, perhaps, Tuesday, at the owners meetings. Ravens should get, yes, 3, maybe 4 of them, 4,5, 6 and maybe a 7th.

[thundercleetz]

What do you guys think of Breshad Perriman as a first round target? He has his pro day coming up in a few days. He was on Purple Reign the other day and said if he had to compare his game to a current NFL player it would be Julio Jones. I can certainly see a poor man's version of Julio Jones or TO. The guy is a terror when he has the ball in his hands. Questionable hands at the moment.

[TBird]

A lot of guys are posting the same about a RB in 1st round

being a bad value where we could get one in the middle rounds

ala Tally but they got Jamal in the first round.

 

With Pierce gone and an old Forsett, Oz just might draft Gordon. He's going

in the first round to someone between 20-30. I've seen Gurley

going as high as Houston and he has an ACL so 2 RBs

could go in the first round.

 

They're that good and if Mel is the BAA and at 26 I wouldn't be

surprised to see Ozzie draft him.

[TBird]

What do you guys think of Breshad Perriman as a first round target? He has his pro day coming up in a few days. He was on Purple Reign the other day and said if he had to compare his game to a current NFL player it would be Julio Jones. I can certainly see a poor man's version of Julio Jones or TO. The guy is a terror when he has the ball in his hands. Questionable hands at the moment.

Most of the posters Im reading don't want him in the first

round, maybe 3rd but he won't drop that far.

[oldno82]

They will announce the official comp picks next week, likely Monday, perhaps, Tuesday, at the owners meetings. Ravens should get, yes, 3, maybe 4 of them, 4,5, 6 and maybe a 7th.

Sounds good. Thanks!

[tsylvester]

What do you guys think of Breshad Perriman as a first round target? He has his pro day coming up in a few days. He was on Purple Reign the other day and said if he had to compare his game to a current NFL player it would be Julio Jones. I can certainly see a poor man's version of Julio Jones or TO. The guy is a terror when he has the ball in his hands. Questionable hands at the moment.

 

 

Talk about being on a crash diet and some one brings in a box of your favorite donuts.... I heard Mel talking about him being a sleeper who could move up the boards. Me, I can deal with poor routes, I can deal with not being very strong....

 

This kid knows how to use his speed, he also has incredible quickness, I mean just look at this box of donuts-

 

Strengths

Height, weight and speed numbers that every team covets. Quick accelerator off the snap and destroys the cushion, forcing cornerbacks into "turn-and-run" mode. More sudden than most big receivers. Able to break routes off sharply or go from stop to start instantly. Consistent separation at top of his route. Always gets over the top of cornerbacks on verticals. Varies route speed and has ability to body up and box out smaller cornerbacks downfield. Explosive leaper with timing and catch radius to make the difficult catches look easy. Shows off plus body control and ball tracking on deep ball. Able to gear up or down when needed and is a legitimate big-play threat on every snap. Athleticism and long speed for yards-after-catch production. Gives good effort as run blocker.

 

 

everything the Ravens had hoped T Smith could be, but wasn't. Who wouldn't want this kid? Those are all the positive things you can't teach/coach, those are instinctual characteristics.

 

However-----

Weaknesses

Raw in his routes, relying on speed and athleticism over any precision. Rounds routes and is inconsistent at selling and finishing routes that don't involve him as primary target. Sits and waits on the throw rather than working back to it. Redirected in his routes more than expected for receiver his size. Disappointing hands that might always haunt him. Slow catch readiness, allowing too many throws to beat him up. Too much double catching and his focus drops over second half of the season were maddening to watch.

 

 

 

Those are all the tings the Ravens got from T Smith, some of that can be "cured" with coaching, but the hands, you either have them or don't. Third round? Yes, any higher, no, not worth the risk.

[papasmurfbell]

 

 

They will announce the official comp picks next week, likely Monday, perhaps, Tuesday, at the owners meetings. Ravens should get, yes, 3, maybe 4 of them, 4,5, 6 and maybe a 7th.

I cannot figure out why it takes so long to announce them. They shoudl be able to have them nailed down by the end of Feb.

 

 

A lot of guys are posting the same about a RB in 1st round

being a bad value where we could get one in the middle rounds

ala Tally but they got Jamal in the first round.

 

With Pierce gone and an old Forsett, Oz just might draft Gordon. He's going

in the first round to someone between 20-30. I've seen Gurley

going as high as Houston and he has an ACL so 2 RBs

could go in the first round.

 

They're that good and if Mel is the BAA and at 26 I wouldn't be

surprised to see Ozzie draft him.

Jamal was drafted before the rule changes that made RB's a dime a dozen.

[thundercleetz]

Good analysis Tim. I see Perriman as a prospect who could be a TO-like weapon, or could have limited development be a one dimensional player like Torrey. I think Perriman is stronger and more aggressive than Torrey. Perriman is like a runningback when he gets the ball, however, Perriman is very high risk as you mentioned.

 

The more I look at it, the more I see value at other positions. At this point I think we will go Marcus Peters or a talented pass rusher. Seems like the value is shaking out at these positions in the late first round.

[thundercleetz]

I cannot figure out why it takes so long to announce them. They shoudl be able to have them nailed down by the end of Feb.

 

 

Jamal was drafted before the rule changes that made RB's a dime a dozen.

 

Speaking of that draft, could someone explain to me how Travis Taylor was the tenth pick overall? I was young that draft year, so I do not remember much pre-draft analysis. Looking at Taylor's stats he had a measly 34 receptions for 463 yards and 6 TDs. And that is in Spurrier's Fun and Gun offense! I know Taylor was MVP of the Orange Bowl with 7 receptions for 159 yards and 2 TDs. So Taylor parlayed one good game into being the tenth pick overall? How does that happen?

 

He had 9 TD his second year, but only 676 yards on 37 receptions.

[papasmurfbell]

Well if you remember the Ravens traded up from 15 to 10 to get him. UF has a rep for producing WR busts. I didn't like TT at the time. Ozzie got took there.

[rastaman831226]

Lets face it Oz has wifted on

 

 

Lets face it Oz has whiffed on several WR/TE over the years. Pitta/Heap's injuries weren't his fault but Ed Dickson is. Torrey was a decent pick but was never a true #1. The fact that we're entering the draft and absolutely need a TE/WR is scaring me. Oz's true bread n butter is drafting Oline men and linebackers.

Got a cousin who is a big Panther fan and he tells me they are very happy with Dickson. Dickson was drafted as a blocking TE by the Ravens and it appears he's blossomed in that role in Carolina. My cousin says he can't figure out why we let this guy go.

[tsylvester]

 

Speaking of that draft, could someone explain to me how Travis Taylor was the tenth pick overall? I was young that draft year, so I do not remember much pre-draft analysis. Looking at Taylor's stats he had a measly 34 receptions for 463 yards and 6 TDs. And that is in Spurrier's Fun and Gun offense! I know Taylor was MVP of the Orange Bowl with 7 receptions for 159 yards and 2 TDs. So Taylor parlayed one good game into being the tenth pick overall? How does that happen?

 

He had 9 TD his second year, but only 676 yards on 37 receptions.

 

 

Oh you are going to get Crav started.............

 

There are some coaches who think you can teach a player to catch, that they just need the proper coaching and practice; Billick was one of said coaches.

 

Taylor had the speed and size that was the fancy of NFL teams back then, and today, to some extent, it goes in cycles. However, as history shows, if a player, as in Taylor's case, can't catch by the time they reach college, they will never learn to catch consistantly. Taylor had no issues getting open, neither in college nor in the NFL, he just "paniced" when the ball came to him, whether he was wide open or had a contested catch. He only moved up the draft boards because of his size and speed.

[tsylvester]

Got a cousin who is a big Panther fan and he tells me they are very happy with Dickson. Dickson was drafted as a blocking TE by the Ravens and it appears he's blossomed in that role in Carolina. My cousin says he can't figure out why we let this guy go.

 

 

Well, after he has been with them a little while and they see he can't catch the ball consistantly, your cousin and the Panthers, will know exactly why the Ravens let him walk. That is, if he holds up for more than 10 games per season........

[oldno82]

Most of the posters Im reading don't want him in the first

round, maybe 3rd but he won't drop that far.

 

Here's some analysis from CBS Sports on Perriman:

 

"STRENGTHS WEAKNESSES

STRENGTHS: Perriman is a big, strong, aggressive receiver armed with NFL pedigree who will use his size and strength to make the catch. Possesses long arms and a large wingspan. He has a very deceptive stride that lets him break down a defender's cushion and get deep.

Perriman possesses the tools to make tough, acrobatic catches with his large soft hands. Can track the football and snatch it at its highpoint. A good runner after the catch who is able to big up big chunks of yardage.

Perriman demonstrated excellent chemistry with his quarterbacks. In his breakout season of 2013, Blake Bortles was under center for the Knights and Perriman built on his sophomore success and improved his production playing with Justin Holman his junior year.

WEAKNESSES: Lacks polish and technique to the position. He'll need to work on running routes and reading coverages at the next level. Perriman will not be able to rely just on his natural ability at the next level. Can disappear at times in a game.

He was a terrific college player and is good enough for the NFL, but may not have the suddenness or speed to excel as a starting receiver in the NFL.

--Bo Marchionte

PLAYER OVERVIEW

Perriman's father (Brett Perriman) played receiver in the NFL for 10 years and had two 1,000-yard seasons with the Detroit Lions. Opposite of his father (5-foot-9, 180 pounds) Breshad is a massive target at 6-3, 214.

The Knights' leading receiver with 50 catches for 1,044 and nine touchdowns his junior season, Perriman received All-American Athletic Conference First Team honors and declared early for the NFL Draft. During his true sophomore and junior seasons he averaged an astounding 20.8 yards per catch.

Perriman established himself as a legit offensive weapon as a true freshman. His 26 receptions for 388 yards for three touchdowns all rank third overall as a true freshman at UFC. He also earned a spot on the C-USA All-Freshman Team.

Perriman made one of the most memorable plays in UCF school history with a 51-yard Hail Mary catch to defeat ECU, 32-30, that gave the Knights a share of the 2014 conference title. It was another example of Perriman's ability to adjust to the football and time the catch in coverage on deep passes. He caught at least one touchdown pass in seven straight games his junior season, finishing the year with nine.

Seven receivers have been selected from UCF in school history, with the most notable being Chicago Bears wide receiver Brandon Marshall, who was selected in the fourth round in 2006 by the Denver Broncos. Perriman has the ability to match Marshall's draft grade."

[rastaman831226]

 

 

Well, after he has been with them a little while and they see he can't catch the ball consistantly, your cousin and the Panthers, will know exactly why the Ravens let him walk. That is, if he holds up for more than 10 games per season........

My guess is that in Carolina, Dickson has found an offense better suited for his skill set as a Blocking Tight End. Ed Dickson was a good but unappreciated blocking Tight End here in Baltimore and now he's a good blocking Tight End for Cam Newton in Carolina.

[rastaman831226]

Has anyone ever gotten Ozzie's first 2 NFL Draft picks correct even with knowing how Ozzie has habitually approached each draft year after year after year?

[oldno82]

Has anyone ever gotten Ozzie's first 2 NFL Draft picks correct even with knowing how Ozzie has habitually approached each draft year after year after year?

I know I never have.

[tsylvester]

Has anyone ever gotten Ozzie's first 2 NFL Draft picks correct even with knowing how Ozzie has habitually approached each draft year after year after year?

 

 

Yes, back when I was writing, I acutally had five of their seven draft picks correct, including the first three rounds, the first round pick of Clayton, I almost begged the Ravens not to make; stated he would be a bust..... But then, every squirrel finds a nut....

[rastaman831226]

 

 

Yes, back when I was writing, I acutally had five of their seven draft picks correct, including the first three rounds, the first round pick of Clayton, I almost begged the Ravens not to make; stated he would be a bust..... But then, every squirrel finds a nut....

So 14 - 15 years ago you got Ozzie's draft order correct?