tsylvester Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 I heard between 3.2 and 3.8 million was our settlement. Also are we not getting relief from the 2015 cap number from rice? I swore when this went down the NFL said we would. How could you not be a fan of our capologist? They are the best in the business No, there is $9 mil in dead money next season from Rice, nothing the league has said indicates they will give the Ravens a break. I know, they got two Super Bowls out of those contracts over the years, so yes, they "do a great job", but I just think they could be more creative, nothing major.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Whoa. Isn't everyone forgetting the big elephant in the room? Negotiated or non negotiated, Joe Flacco's contract will affect the cap figure for years to come. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Whoa. Isn't everyone forgetting the big elephant in the room? Negotiated or non negotiated, Joe Flacco's contract will affect the cap figure for years to come. Discuss. wait til 2016...then worry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 wait til 2016...then worry...Thats how congress gets so much done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 wait til 2016...then worry...Nope, you should know by now that Ozzie works long term, that's why this organization is so good. If we thought short term, we'd be Oakland or worse, Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't think Ozzie thinks long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't think Ozzie thinks long term.I do. This team is talent deep without bustin' the bank. O line problems of a season ago seemingly vanished overnight without bustin' the bank. Before injuries racked 'em, secondary looked good on papaer without bustin' the bank. The position at QB, however may wind up eventually bustin' the team and the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If he was so good at that he would have drafted Birks replacement before 2012. I had been screaming about it since 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2330982-can-the-ravens-afford-to-pay-free-agent-wr-torrey-smith A somewhat sobering analysis of Torrey Smith and whether we should re-sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 If he was so good at that he would have drafted Birks replacement before 2012. I had been screaming about it since 2010.There wasn't anything out there at C in 2012. The 2 best prospects according to the mock drafts and supposed draft experts were the kid from Alabama and the kid who was eventually drafted by KC ( I think ). Both were NFL busts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 What part of 2010 was the hard part of my statement?Bryan Stork was well liked that yr. So there was more than 2 prospects at center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2330982-can-the-ravens-afford-to-pay-free-agent-wr-torrey-smith A somewhat sobering analysis of Torrey Smith and whether we should re-sign him.Good find, Cleetz. I have no idea what we should offer him either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/01/31/tale-of-the-tape/marshall-great-fit-ravens/ Another good analysis of the possibility of Brandon Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What part of 2010 was the hard part of my statement?Bryan Stork was well liked that yr. So there was more than 2 prospects at center.2010? Oh, we had Matt Birk then and although I initially did not like the acquisition of Birk, he turned out to be a good stopgap C. Previously I was referring to 2012 when most mock drafts and so called experts had us drafting C Peter Kunz out of Wisconsin or Barrett Jones out of Alabama as Birk's replacement. Ozzie wisely went with Courtney Upshaw in the second round at #35 and later Kelechi Osemele in the seond at #60. Don't know if Jones was drafted and Kunz is on IR with Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/01/31/tale-of-the-tape/marshall-great-fit-ravens/ Another good analysis of the possibility of Brandon Marshall.It sounds like Marshall has given up on Cutler. He also looks as if he finally has his head on straight. Being the headcase he used to be I would not touch him but the last few yrs has been studly and doing the right thing. 2010? Oh, we had Matt Birk then and although I initially did not like the acquisition of Birk, he turned out to be a good stopgap C. Previously I was referring to 2012 when most mock drafts and so called experts had us drafting C Peter Kunz out of Wisconsin or Barrett Jones out of Alabama as Birk's replacement. Ozzie wisely went with Courtney Upshaw in the second round at #35 and later Kelechi Osemele in the seond at #60. Don't know if Jones was drafted and Kunz is on IR with Atlanta.But if you had done 2010 it would give a guy 3 yrs to be groomed under Birk, 2011 2 yrs. 2012 only allowed Grad 1 yr. If they had gone in 2010 Ted Larson was a late round pick who has been a solid OL playing OG and C. In 2011 the guy I really wanted was Stefen Wisniewski who has been a spectacular OL. Also that yr Brandon Fusco was drafted and has been a solid OL mostly at gurad. Jason Kelce went late that yr and he has been a stud from day 1. Probably he woudl have taken Birks job from him. Now waiting for 2012 Peter Konz was available. He played at an OL factiory in Wisc. He has been quite good. He may be on IR now but so was KO last yr. Guys get hurt. Most come back after the injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted January 31, 2015 Author Share Posted January 31, 2015 Brandon has Bi-polar, it takes time to one find the right meds, 2, get the proper levels and 3, get used to how they affect one. Head case is not the word to use, he is well known to be a great guy, a great teammate. I highly doubt Marshall will be a Raven, his price, to aquire and contract, will be too high. When you factor in the talent deep draft at the receiver postion, there is no reason to make the move for a contract with $23 mil in guaranteed money over the next 3 years. A receiver, whom I think is excellant, but has lost a step and this team needs a consistant burner on the outside & or an athletic tight end for over the middle. Not a high priced receiver who lost a step or two for a one or two year rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Sry for my un-PC characterization. When he was doing stupid stuff yrs back I saw him as a head case. I understood he got medicated when he talked about it a couple of yrs ago and he has been a stellar example of a player since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It sounds like Marshall has given up on Cutler. He also looks as if he finally has his head on straight. Being the headcase he used to be I would not touch him but the last few yrs has been studly and doing the right thing. But if you had done 2010 it would give a guy 3 yrs to be groomed under Birk, 2011 2 yrs. 2012 only allowed Grad 1 yr. If they had gone in 2010 Ted Larson was a late round pick who has been a solid OL playing OG and C. In 2011 the guy I really wanted was Stefen Wisniewski who has been a spectacular OL. Also that yr Brandon Fusco was drafted and has been a solid OL mostly at gurad. Jason Kelce went late that yr and he has been a stud from day 1. Probably he woudl have taken Birks job from him. Now waiting for 2012 Peter Konz was available. He played at an OL factiory in Wisc. He has been quite good. He may be on IR now but so was KO last yr. Guys get hurt. Most come back after the injury.Hindsight is always 20/20. Kindle, Cody, Pitta, Dickson, etc. looked good on paper that year but I guess you can't win 'em all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I didn't even look at Kindle since I thought he would be long gone way before the Ravens. I do think Ozzie was negligent in looking into his drinking issues. Also did he ever tackle a RB in college. I have never seen a player so easily blocked in the run game.I hated Cody well before he was drafted. I think I was calling him Stay Puff about 2 days after her was drafted. I was for Dickson and Pitta in that draft. But again Ted Larson was a 6th rounder. Also 2011 was pretty good at centers. Fusco and Kelce were 6th rounders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robjr83 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 There wasn't anything out there at C in 2012. The 2 best prospects according to the mock drafts and supposed draft experts were the kid from Alabama and the kid who was eventually drafted by KC ( I think ). Both were NFL busts.Yeah I remember the mocks that year having us taking Kontz who went to ATL after we drafted Upshaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The mocks are by and large BS. I like EmDiggy but it is not possibel for people to really look at how a GM rates talent and really look at teams needs. Neither he or the others are that great in figuring out what will go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Yeah I remember the mocks that year having us taking Kontz who went to ATL after we drafted Upshaw Yeah I remember the mocks that year having us taking Kontz who went to ATL after we drafted UpshawI remember Vinny from 105.7's Rob and Vinny Show saying that Kunz was too fleshy and needed a lot of time in the weight room to make it in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 I remember Vinny from 105.7's Rob and Vinny Show saying that Kunz was too fleshy and needed a lot of time in the weight room to make it in the NFL.Atlanta Falcons Blog says that Konz has been pushed around on the line and rotating between Guard - Bench -Center - Bench since he was drafted. Glad we went with Upshaw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 You guys are arguing over spilled milk, it doesn't matter at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 @AKinkhabwala: #Ravens coach John Harbaugh and #Bears WR Brandon Marshall yukking it up here at #SB49 http://t.co/cmIt0PCq65 I wonder what they are talking about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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