The New England Patriots were found to most likely

[tsylvester]

, to possibly have, might have, more likely to have, yeah, great words to use when assigning guilt...

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-05-06/deflategate-patriots-guilty-cheating-ted-wells-report-dispute-findings-afc-championship-colts

 

 

The New England Patriots were found to most likely have intentionally deflated footballs in the AFC Championship Game against the Colts, the Ted Wells Report concluded after a four-month investigation into the Deflategate scandal.

The act of taking the air out of the ball with the apparent attempt to give the Patriots a competitive advantage was pinned on Jim McNally, a part-time employee of 32 years, and the Patriots equipment assistant responsible for the preparation of game balls, John Jastermski. The investigation uncovered periodic text message exchanges between the two men in the weeks and months leading up the AFC title game. Just as important, it is "more probable than not" that quarterback Tom Brady "was at least generally aware" of the shenanigans.

 

 

 

[OneManCypher]

there are focusing too much on this one game , the AFCCG, common sense tells me that this is not the first time they deflated the balls. Why would you try something like this for the first time in the AFCCG, how long have they been doing this? the NFL has to yet make another rule because these guys can't keep there hands out of the cookie jar, Lance Armstrong ass cheaters

[ForceEight]

In the legal landscape, those words are more than powerful enough.

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Every team is looking for an advantage. This is the leagues fault for letting teams provide the balls.

[vmax]

This team has a documented history of cheating and should be punished severely.

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Every team cheats. Suggs admitted the ravens do then went back on it after the press asked him.

[dc.]

The texts between the equipment guys, referencing Brady and conversations with him, are really damning for Brady.

 

Meanwhile, everyone cheats. You get caught and you get punished.

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True.

[tsylvester]

Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um well after the rule change banning its use.... No outrage there? How many passes would he have dropped without using it?

 

To me, this is much ado about nothing, fine him and move on. The only court that would find guilt in this would be that of public opinion and maybe, maybe, civil court.

[dc.]

Well, in criminal Court there would be more authority to force Brady to at least submit his cell records and other data, which could be a game changer. That's what looks worst on him. "I didn't do anything, but I won't cooperate..."

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Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um well after the rule change banning its use.... No outrage there? How many passes would he have dropped without using it?

 

To me, this is much ado about nothing, fine him and move on. The only court that would find guilt in this would be that of public opinion and maybe, maybe, civil court.

agreed

[cravnravn]

Jerry Rice admitted to using stick-um well after the rule change banning its use.... No outrage there? How many passes would he have dropped without using it?

 

To me, this is much ado about nothing, fine him and move on. The only court that would find guilt in this would be that of public opinion and maybe, maybe, civil court.

Apple's vs Oranges Rice never got caught or was never accused of cheating, for over 11 years when you hear the name patriots you immediately associate them with doing something illegal. I hope he is suspended 2-8 games. Nothing worse then a liar and a cheat, the pats led by Brady are both.

[dc.]

Also, "More probable than not" (a preponderence of evidence) is the standard in civil court and the standard used by the NFL.

 

You're caught. You pay. Move on. Doesn't have to be in the news for a year. Doesn't have to be the end of his career. But let's also not pretend that guys who cheat in every other way don't get punished when caught.

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Apple's vs Oranges Rice never got caught or was never accused of cheating, for over 11 years when you hear the name patriots you immediately associate them with doing something illegal. I hope he is suspended 2-8 games. Nothing worse then a liar and a cheat, the pats led by Brady are both.

No it is apples and apples. Rice circumvented the rules to get an unfair advantage. He did it for most of his career so it has to bring into question everything the 49ers did.

[cravnravn]

No it is apples and apples. Rice circumvented the rules to get an unfair advantage. He did it for most of his career so it has to bring into question everything the 49ers did.

It is apples to oranges, Brady got caught rice did not.all players bend the rules, hell listen to some old Arte Donavon interviews Conrad Dobler bent every rule to man, but neither was caught with their hand in the cookie jar, as tommy boy did

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They both cheated. Getting caught has nothing to do with them circumventing the rules.

[RavenMad]

There was a rumor a while back that someone from the Ravens warned the Colts about the deflated balls. The Colts were waiting on it. That's why the refs tested the balls at half time of the championship game as someone from the Colts asked for it to be done.

[Tornado700]

, to possibly have, might have, more likely to have, yeah, great words to use when assigning guilt...

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-05-06/deflategate-patriots-guilty-cheating-ted-wells-report-dispute-findings-afc-championship-colts

 

 

 

The NFL uses the "preponderance of evidence" rather than the "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of proof. Just like a civil trial, which this case actually is. Layman's terms? More likely than not. Enough to "tip" the scales of justice. The NFL is absolutely correct and so are the investigators.

[Tornado700]

In the legal landscape, those words are more than powerful enough.

Exactly.

[Tornado700]

Apple's vs Oranges Rice never got caught or was never accused of cheating, for over 11 years when you hear the name patriots you immediately associate them with doing something illegal. I hope he is suspended 2-8 games. Nothing worse then a liar and a cheat, the pats led by Brady are both.

Absolutely. Dead on Cravn.

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So being caught makes it against the rules?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AznrsPlHExQ
Cain pretty much nailed it in the first 2:30 mins.

[tsylvester]

As the work turns. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/02/nfl-supervisor-of-officials-acknowledges-slow-leak-possibility/

 

Wow, is the NFL looking more & moe stuuupid on this one.

 

Inconclusive, because one of the gauges showed three of four Colts footballs to be under the 12.5 PSI minimum at halftime, even though they started at 13.0 or 13.1 PSI.

 

 

Inconclusive, because of the significant gap between the two gauges made available to the officials responsible for setting the air pressure in the footballs used for the AFC Championship Game.

Inconclusive, because the NFL had never even checked air pressure in footballs during or after any game in the 95-year history of the league.

And, now, inconclusive, because a current NFL supervisor of officials has acknowledged that some footballs are defective, when it comes to keeping air inside them.

“These are man-made products,” Central Region supervisor of officials Gary Slaughter said during a via to the Steelers, via Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. “There is a bladder and a valve. We have all checked them for many years. Sometimes when you check the ball in the locker room right out of the box, there could be a problem. They could have a slow leak, and you wouldn’t even know it at the time.”

 

 

But wait, it gets better.....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2015/08/01/emails-show-the-nfl-failed-to-stop-misinformation-as-part-of-deflategate/

 

 

 

Emails between the general counsel for the New England Patriots and Jeff Pash, the general counsel for the NFL, show that leaks about the deflated footballs in the 2014 AFC Championship Game to Walt Disney DIS -0.02%-owned ESPN ESPN were chocked full of misinformation, yet the NFL refused to acknowledge it. The emails were released on the Wells Report Context blog.

The emails from the Patriots, first to Greg Aiello, a spokesman for the league, and then to Pash show repeated attempts to get leaks of misinformation stopped, after it was apparent that the information could only have come from the league. Chris Mortensen of ESPN was the first to report the story about how it appeared that 11 of 12 New England Patriots footballs “were significantly below the NFL’s requirements” according to league sources.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet, the emails between the Patriots and the league show that league had information to refute the leaked information that made its way into not only Mortensen’s initial report but others from ESPN, yet ignored pleas to do anything about it.

“What is unconscionable to me is that the league holds data that could very well exonerate us from any wrongdoing and completely dismiss the rampant reports and allegations of nefarious actions, but the league refuses to provide us the data,” said Stacey James, the ‎Vice President of Media Relations of New England Patriots to Aiello in an email dated Feb 17, 2015. “I cannot comprehend how withholding the range of PSIs measured in the game is beneficial to the NFL or the Patriots.”

In another email from Patriots general counsel Robyn Glaser to Jeff Pash dated the next day addresses another ESPN story about the Pats using a kicker’s ball. Glaser forwards the email from James and adds, “This ESPN piece, which by its own admission is supported by not one by ‘FOUR sources familiar with the investigation’ is yet the latest in League leaks (because the only others “familiar” with the investigation are us, and we can assure you we are not talking to ESPN or anyone else). And, once again, the information is not only inaccurate, but completely inflammatory and profoundly damaging to our brand.”

Glaser then goes on to forcefully ask Pash to address the leaks, misinformation, and failure to correct that misinformation. “This ESPN article is yet example in two ways…. first, it talks about an attempt by a Patriots employee to introduce a kicking ball into the game that was not authorized when you well know that the ball was handed to the Patriots on two separate occasions by two different league employees to be inserted into the game… we never attempted to introduce a ball into the game that had not been handed to us by a League employee…. and second, it contradicts a prior ESPN article that stated 11 of the 12 balls were 2 pounds underweight – information the League has known to be incorrect but never corrected.”

 

 

 

It's a long article but worth the read if you are interested. No wonder the Pats are so, angry and refused to settle (for now) and Kraft went after their, the NFL's credibility....

[cravnravn]

Bottom line,

 

If the Pats claim they are innocent, why were 2 employees fired?

 

Tammy destroyed his phone.

[tsylvester]

Bottom line,

 

If the Pats claim they are innocent, why were 2 employees fired?

 

Tammy destroyed his phone.

 

 

Bottom line, as I said on page one; who knows what really happened, there is ample evidence for either to be true. However, 4 games for this is tantamount to a very bad joke. Players caught spray glueing their jersies, using stick-um (yes they still use it) on their gloves, etc are fined not suspended.

 

Biscutt looks like alittle baby now crying to Goody to uphold the suspension. Kraft won't forget nor let this slide.