TBird Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I haven't seen anything from Bisciotti yet but he mustbe really pissed. Remember after the 8-8 season afterwinning the SB. He was pissed then but said he has tobe fair. This is the first season for John going .500 butstrongly implied it better not happen again. He probably won't but might fire Pees. Many of us think he twistedHARBs arm to fire CAM although HARBs says that was hisdecision. I'm just asking. But now Ravens are the worse team with just 1 win soBisciotti has to be even more pissed after spending upto the CAP ceiling every year. He pays for everything Ozzie and HARBs need including paying the most forscouts and not joining a combine like most teams. What does everyone think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 He really should look at the FO and the way of doing business. What is happening now is normal for teams in the NFL. They fall off in talent and have to rebuild. This applies to everyone except the Pats and the way the Steelers used to be. Either accept this for what it is or change how you do business. On th eHarbs front the issues I have described before still apply. Look at the crappy 2 min drill. The team reflects his lack of game mang. I think moving on from him could be beneficial if they find the right replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornado700 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Silly talk. Harbs isn't going anywhere. You don't fire a head coach with John's consistancy over the years because of one bad year. Pees is a different story. When comparing these two coaches, one can coach while the other lacks skills.Look, we have been good for so long that we have been getting the left overs in terms of draft picks. This is how the NFL is suppsed to work. 5-11 should get us a top ten pick in May 2016. This club will be fine, as long as Harbaugh is the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 What's that say about the owner firing a coach that's never had a losing season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This is a pivital year for the franchise. Sure they can take the asy way out, fire the coach, bring in some one different to "reach the players" and get their "fire back".... That might last for a few years, then you are stuck in the ever revolving coaching door... or, you take a page from the Steelers, who stick it out with a coach through a few down seasons, showing the stability of the franchise; players like to see that. One thing we can say about this franchise; players love to play here. Fire him? Poor game management over all, his choice for who tells him to challange calls puzzles me, as they are mostly always wrong.... Use of time outs, another issue.... But overall, no, stick with him, he is young, remember, give him 3 more years see if this team turns around, talent wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 One thing that's popped in my head, is John's insistence that no one is above special teams, so with that said...is that affecting our talent pool? Do we look for good football players over good skill players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I would be reluctant to fire Harbs. It's possible but I don't see anyone else out there that has his record and a Super Bowl win. Organizations that hold the line on coaches do seem to be the most stable and most able to right themselves. Now the FO is a different story. I wonder if the game has passed Ozzie by. We went into this season with only one possible deep threat on offense and he got hurt on the first day of camp and hasn't practiced since. Also, Oz is responsible for the mess in the secondary. Webb's career here has taken a nose dive for the past 3 years. Jimmy Smith is good but isn't a shutdown corner. The other guys back there are just a bunch of guys who couldn't cut it elsewhere. Oz should have known more about this during the offseason. To cut him some slack though, let's remember the cap hell we've been in since the Ray Rice fiasco started. It's hard to sign quality free agents when you can't pay them. I'm willing to give Oz another year to up the talent on this team because (if Joe restructures) we should emerge from cap hell next season. Getting Joe's numbers down is going to be big battle this off-season. They need to get it done by the time free agency opens so we have more room to pay talented free agents. I'm not sure Joe's agent will move that fast if he moves at all. Crap, after the QB's we've been playing with before Joe, I hate to say this but if his cap numbers don't come down significantly we ought to trade him. So I think Bisciotti stays the course for one more year. If there's no improvement by then, it's time to get some new FO personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 But it is on Ozzie for giving Rice a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBird Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 This is a pivital year for the franchise. Sure they can take the asy way out, fire the coach, bring in some one different to "reach the players" and get their "fire back".... That might last for a few years, then you are stuck in the ever revolving coaching door... or, you take a page from the Steelers, who stick it out with a coach through a few down seasons, showing the stability of the franchise; players like to see that. One thing we can say about this franchise; players love to play here. Fire him? Poor game management over all, his choice for who tells him to challange calls puzzles me, as they are mostly always wrong.... Use of time outs, another issue.... But overall, no, stick with him, he is young, remember, give him 3 more years see if this team turns around, talent wise.Great post and I agree with everything. Someone is leaving, that's for sure, Maybe Pees. Game management has always been my prob with HARBs plus he never called a game. Billick called the gameswhen he fired his coord. I remember one of HARBs first games in PIssburgh where Mason caught a TD that would have won the game but the refs said no TD as he bobbled the ball running out of bounds. The replay on TVshould he had in in bounds but we were all screaming at HARBs for not challenging the play. The call lost thegame for us. Even in the Clowns game. Not sure this is even challengeable by the coach but the ball ruled a TD for the Clowns in 4th qtr hit the ground and the guy scooped it up. We're yeeling for HARBs to challenge it. Theball was clearly dropped and on the ground but the ref was standing behind the receiver. Piss poor management from HARBs again. As for silly talk, I was just asking a question. Bisciotti was pissed the last time we missed the playoffs butwas fair. With 1 win, he's really pissed now and just might fire HARBs. I doubt it but he's pissed off enoughto. That's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 No way Harbs goes unless he and Steve get into a major tiff. Harbs has had too much success. I do think he gives up some of the decision making power he gained after winning the sb. Pees is gone for sure. It would take a major improvement on the defense to save his job and we all know that ain't happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Great post and I agree with everything. Someone is leaving, that's for sure, Maybe Pees. Game management has always been my prob with HARBs plus he never called a game. Billick called the gameswhen he fired his coord. I remember one of HARBs first games in PIssburgh where Mason caught a TD that would have won the game but the refs said no TD as he bobbled the ball running out of bounds. The replay on TVshould he had in in bounds but we were all screaming at HARBs for not challenging the play. The call lost thegame for us. Even in the Clowns game. Not sure this is even challengeable by the coach but the ball ruled a TD for the Clowns in 4th qtr hit the ground and the guy scooped it up. We're yeeling for HARBs to challenge it. Theball was clearly dropped and on the ground but the ref was standing behind the receiver. Piss poor management from HARBs again. As for silly talk, I was just asking a question. Bisciotti was pissed the last time we missed the playoffs butwas fair. With 1 win, he's really pissed now and just might fire HARBs. I doubt it but he's pissed off enoughto. That's for sure.It's got to come from upstairs from a coach in the box. The field is crowned, coaches on the ground level don't see that the tip of the ball hits the ground. It's a whole different view from ground level vs a coach in the box that has instant replays to look at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBird Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 Thanks Crave. Thats what HARBs said that night in Pissburgh. He didn't even seeit from where he stood. That explains it but the guy upstairs should be fired fornot telling him to challenge it. It cost us the game.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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