Reading the tea leaves ?

[varaven45]

My sense is this Lamar issue will come to a head early in the off-season - before FA and the draft.

If I could be GM for the day, I'm tagging or trading Lamar.  If he goes, we need the next franchise QB.

We've observed Lamar for 5 yrs and believe we've seen his best.   

 

In the meantime, we will need a future QB to lead this team.  I love some of these college QB's that are coming out.

Its probably a crazy thought, but I would love to start over and draft a guy like the TCU QB Max Duggar.

He's an Iowa kid and plays with a lot of energy, passion and has a very good arm.         

There are others - the USC, OSU and Bama QBs.  Guys who are passionate and can lead. 

The longer we stick with Lamar, the longer we delay the inevitable.

I'm ready to switch horses and move on.  I hope the FO is, too.

My humble two cents.... 

  

[tsylvester]

His apparent moodiness, his love of being a kid off of the field, illnesses that keep popping up, indecision on the field, even with the zone reads; he keeps when he should give, gives when he should keep. When to scramble when nothing is open, apparent inability to read a defense presnap/post snap...

I don't think his best is behind him, I think he is just stuck between runner and pocket passer. He should get passed that glitch.

But the money, I know, you either have to pay a qb big money or be stuck every 4-5 years looking for a new qb.

Yes, there are potentials in the draft, I am partial to the kid from Kentucky, Levi's. A pro style offense, smart, quick, makes all of the throws and great touch.

Odds, only 2 qbs in the draft will turn out to be a keeper. The rest are either a good back up or car salesmen. History tells us this....

Maybe the 4 missed games will do Lamar good, if he wants to stay here that is, maybe it will help him get over the Hump watching for a bit.

[varaven45]

Good points Tsy although I would respectfully disagree on we’ve seen Lamar’s ceiling.  I think after 4-5 years we know what we got.   I just can’t see our teams future with him in it. 

[vmax]

I want to sign him. If not, then franchise him. At least we'll get 2 1st rounders.

The Ravens are a 6-11 team without him at best.

[varaven45]

I’d spring for the 2 1st rounders and go in a new direction with the next set of young guns !  

[oldno82]

2 hours ago, vmax said:

I want to sign him. If not, then franchise him. At least we'll get 2 1st rounders.

The Ravens are a 6-11 team without him at best.

You may be right but I don't want to franchise him unless we deal him because then we can't keep Roquan.

Lets see what the rest of the games look like and then I'll know what I think we should do with Lamar.

One thing I do know now is that Roman must go either now or the end of the season.

[vmax]

The Ravens can sign both. Sign Smith. Make it a small cap hit in 2023.

Lamar will win a SB. Here or elsewhere. The Ravens got lucky drafting a QB twice in 26 years. 

Beware the Klye Bollars of Yesteryear! 

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by vmax

[papasmurfbell]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:10 AM, varaven45 said:

My sense is this Lamar issue will come to a head early in the off-season - before FA and the draft.

If I could be GM for the day, I'm tagging or trading Lamar.  If he goes, we need the next franchise QB.

We've observed Lamar for 5 yrs and believe we've seen his best.   

 

In the meantime, we will need a future QB to lead this team.  I love some of these college QB's that are coming out.

Its probably a crazy thought, but I would love to start over and draft a guy like the TCU QB Max Duggar.

He's an Iowa kid and plays with a lot of energy, passion and has a very good arm.         

There are others - the USC, OSU and Bama QBs.  Guys who are passionate and can lead. 

The longer we stick with Lamar, the longer we delay the inevitable.

I'm ready to switch horses and move on.  I hope the FO is, too.

My humble two cents.... 

  

 

On 12/7/2022 at 7:34 PM, vmax said:

The Ravens can sign both. Sign Smith. Make it a small cap hit in 2023.

Lamar will win a SB. Here or elsewhere. The Ravens got lucky drafting a QB twice in 26 years. 

Beware the Klye Bollars of Yesteryear! 

 

Lamar never wins a SB unless he is a backup somewhere.

[vmax]

[tsylvester]

That is difficult to believe, yet true. The problem comes when pts are counted in, capitalizing on those big plays.

The tell tale is what is the rank for big play touchdowns? For the conversion of those big plays into touchdowns?

My guess is that the Ravens would be near the bottom?

[cravnravn]

Lamar sealed his own fait, 2 victories without him, Biscuit will Not give him 250 mil guaranteed 

[varaven45]

After today, I’m more convinced that life without Lamar is OK and pursuing a franchise QB in the draft or free agency is the way.  Btw - I like Snoop - a lot- but he isn’t the long term answer but a helluva backup. 
 

[tsylvester]

Yeah, I think after the last few weeks it is clear, Smith is to be the priority signing

[varaven45]

[oldno82]

Roquan had, yet another, great game. And he makes everybody better around him. Kudos to Queen too. JK had a super game  coming back after knee surgery and Edwards finished out the game well too. Tyler was in control when he was in there and calm...a shame he got the concussion.

Maybe Lamar learned a bit by watching. But I think I'd take two number ones if they were offered. But, lets play out the rest of the season before we make a final decision.

[vmax]

Agree. This is off season stuff. They can sign both. 

 

[varaven45]

Yep,  off season should be interesting stuff.

In the meantime, we’ve got 4-5 games just like todays grinder special.  I look for ever one - except the finale in Cincy - to be a knock down drag out. 
 

 

[papasmurfbell]

I would sign Smith long term.  He has shown he is the man and will standup and make others better.  Ink him long term and not tag him.  Then you tag and trade Lamar.

[tsylvester]

They traded for him, a relatively high pick, knowing what his contract expectations are, so I would be shocked if they don't sign him long term, five years at least, 7 maybe to stretch out the signing bonus

[oldno82]

Yep, I agree Tsyl...sign him to a long term contract. He's a playmaker, leader, and difference maker and has a great attitude.

[varaven45]

Yepper, plus acquire/draft a pass rusher and clean up the secondary and our D will be fine. 

[tsylvester]

Something to keep in mind, look what the Jets are going through. How many first round quarterbacks have they drafted over the past 6-7 years?

Yet they are still searching for one, they win despite bad qb play wit a good defense and running game. But they still lose more games than they win.

I wouldn't want to be the Biscuit trying to decide whether to pay Lamar or not...

[varaven45]

Guess that's why the Biscuit gets the big bucks.  Not trying to get too far ahead of ourselves, but if I'm Biscuit/DeCosta  I would:

Tag and trade Lamar for high draft picks - focus on Roquan as the big off-season signing plus another WR   

Draft or a acquire a franchise QB - there's another Brock Purdy out there (fwiw- TCU's Max Duggan would like sweet in purple).

Replace Roman at OC  

In the interim, plug Snoop and Anthony Brown in for the interim.     

Just my two cents ....

[tsylvester]

The problem is, in the Ravens history, they have never drafted nor developed a true number one wide out.

Yes, Duggan looks promising, as do 3 or 4 other prospects. Maybe they wait a year for Caleb Williams, the "next Patrick Mahomes".

But history tells us that even Williams may be a bust. Purdy looks good after a game & a half, and don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching him play in college, big fan of his. But Zappe also looked good for the Pats, for a game or two.

Wilson for the Jets had his moments. Shoot Goeff is looking renewed in Detroit, Smith in Seattle, we've seen all of them before, one game, one year wonders.

Shoot, Fitzpatrick made a long career of having great games, incredible plays, but never in the playoffs...

[papasmurfbell]

6 hours ago, tsylvester said:

The problem is, in the Ravens history, they have never drafted nor developed a true number one wide out.

Yes, Duggan looks promising, as do 3 or 4 other prospects. Maybe they wait a year for Caleb Williams, the "next Patrick Mahomes".

But history tells us that even Williams may be a bust. Purdy looks good after a game & a half, and don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching him play in college, big fan of his. But Zappe also looked good for the Pats, for a game or two.

Wilson for the Jets had his moments. Shoot Goeff is looking renewed in Detroit, Smith in Seattle, we've seen all of them before, one game, one year wonders.

Shoot, Fitzpatrick made a long career of having great games, incredible plays, but never in the playoffs...

Add Lamar to that list then.  Its time to move on.