So who is at fault? Roman, Hewitt, Harbs?

[tsylvester]

All three? Should Hewitt get the nod over Roman for oc? Is Hewitt the issue with the route combinations? They brought in wide receiver "specialists", yet there is little separation, they seem to take too long to get to the top of the routes.

If there is a passing game coordinator, the 2nd one in recent year (Culley), and the passing game sucks, or has gone down hill, should they look elsewhere?

Since game one the offense has sputtered to a slow death. This, despite playing against some of the worst teams, defenses in the league. Even before Lamar got hurt, the passing game was headed down hill with no brakes and a tight curve ahead. Why?

The talking heads have broken down the route concepts, shown how terrible they are. We see other teams use routes to get a player open with great success. Yet neither Culley nor Hewitt can design plays to get a player open? All we have are stop routes five yards from each other?

No over routes to draw a safety away? No good combination routes to force a corner into a difficult choice when in zone?

Who chose either pass game coordinator? How much say do they have in the passing game?

I've seen many pass game coordinators literally change an offense into a juggernaut, but not here... Something has to change, this is years of the same thing. Different passing game coaches, different wide receiver coaches, different wide receivers, differnt qbs, granted Huntley is terrible, but still the same results, yes, it is clear, Roman, as great as his run concepts are, he is the problem.

[varaven45]

All the above and nothings going to change until he changes made it to top.  

The good news is if we bring in a good leader and fortify our talent we can be back in legitimate contention in the next year or two.   If Jacksonville can do what they did with that got awful situation a year or two ago there’s hope for everyone.

[papasmurfbell]

8 hours ago, tsylvester said:

All three? Should Hewitt get the nod over Roman for oc? Is Hewitt the issue with the route combinations? They brought in wide receiver "specialists", yet there is little separation, they seem to take too long to get to the top of the routes.

If there is a passing game coordinator, the 2nd one in recent year (Culley), and the passing game sucks, or has gone down hill, should they look elsewhere?

Since game one the offense has sputtered to a slow death. This, despite playing against some of the worst teams, defenses in the league. Even before Lamar got hurt, the passing game was headed down hill with no brakes and a tight curve ahead. Why?

The talking heads have broken down the route concepts, shown how terrible they are. We see other teams use routes to get a player open with great success. Yet neither Culley nor Hewitt can design plays to get a player open? All we have are stop routes five yards from each other?

No over routes to draw a safety away? No good combination routes to force a corner into a difficult choice when in zone?

Who chose either pass game coordinator? How much say do they have in the passing game?

I've seen many pass game coordinators literally change an offense into a juggernaut, but not here... Something has to change, this is years of the same thing. Different passing game coaches, different wide receiver coaches, different wide receivers, differnt qbs, granted Huntley is terrible, but still the same results, yes, it is clear, Roman, as great as his run concepts are, he is the problem.

As I said several days ago.

As with Truman being the head of the country the same thing applies to the head of the coaching staff.  Unfortunately we cannot vote out Turdy.  

 

6 hours ago, varaven45 said:

All the above and nothings going to change until he changes made it to top.  

The good news is if we bring in a good leader and fortify our talent we can be back in legitimate contention in the next year or two.   If Jacksonville can do what they did with that got awful situation a year or two ago there’s hope for everyone.

Dont forget the giants too.

[vmax]

Harbaugh, Roman...shit...all the coaches. Even Weaver. His players had poor technique and intensity. No adjustments ... team was not ready ...

The future OC is not on this staff.

 

[tsylvester]

Yeah I don't know how the Biscuit could allow Roman to remain, Lamar or no Lamar, every other team using a back up qb has put up yards & points, but not Huntley with Roman.

I think it is clear, Lamar goes, Roman goes and they find a new back up qb

[GrubberRaven]

Add Harbaugh to that list.  He looks defeated.  Like Max said in another thread, I'm done winning ugly.

[tsylvester]

I can't see Harbs being put out to pasture, he has too many wins, this team for what ever reason has had a plethora of injuries, especially last year where they almost made the playoffs again with a completely depleted roster.

Add to that the qb issues with injuries to finish out last year and this, unless the Biscuit demands Harbs replace Roman and he refuses, I think he is back for one, 2 more years.

His in game mistakes still continue, clock management, I'll timed timeouts, fourth down decisions, never seem to improve. The way the team almost always seems to come out flat in night games, are all great reasons to replace him.

Still, the decisions that need to be made with Jackson and Smith, with a hopefully new oc, you almost have to keep Harbs around.

[varaven45]

TSY, IDK how you can replace GRO w/o dismissing Harbs and have a successful team moving forward.  I think it's a package deal.

Unfortunately, though, I'm not sure the Biscuit will cut Harbs loose and is far more likely to force his hand in replacing Roman.    

I don't see, after the dust settles (post FA/Draft), this team at least finding a new OC and a legit, franchise QB for the 2023 season.   

  

[tsylvester]

What worries me most is the draft. Where will a legit qb fall to the Ravens? Will they make the right choice? Stroud, Levis, etc?

Eric has been real hit or miss on his draft picks since he took over in 2019, more duds than studs if you look real hard at each draft.

If they don't land one, we are stuck with an inept offense for a few years only to start over again.

The other question, if Lamar leaves, will Smith still want to sign here?

[varaven45]

We may need to pick up a FA QB in 23 and draft a franchise guy in 24. 

I trust Roquan wants to sign regardless of Lamar.  He is and or can become the center piece of the D.    

[vmax]

5 hours ago, varaven45 said:

We may need to pick up a FA QB in 23 and draft a franchise guy in 24. 

I trust Roquan wants to sign regardless of Lamar.  He is and or can become the center piece of the D.    

Read the 2023 FA QB list and weep.

2023 NFL Free Agents Tracker | Spotrac

[tsylvester]

Bring Joe back!

[varaven45]

I’d take Commanders Taylor Heineke or Eagles Minshew as a bridge QB whether we drafted someone or not in 23.    

[oldno82]

11 hours ago, tsylvester said:

What worries me most is the draft. Where will a legit qb fall to the Ravens? Will they make the right choice? Stroud, Levis, etc?

Eric has been real hit or miss on his draft picks since he took over in 2019, more duds than studs if you look real hard at each draft.

If they don't land one, we are stuck with an inept offense for a few years only to start over again.

The other question, if Lamar leaves, will Smith still want to sign here?

The Smith question bugs me too. I wouldn't mind seeing Lamar go, Roman go, and a bunch of other dead wood in the coaches department. Bisciotti could always give Harbaugh a 'pre-retirement' job and replace him as HC. But, I really would like to see Smith here long term. If he goes we gave up too much to get him and this team is going nowhere but down fast.

[cravnravn]

11 hours ago, tsylvester said:

What worries me most is the draft. Where will a legit qb fall to the Ravens? Will they make the right choice? Stroud, Levis, etc?

Eric has been real hit or miss on his draft picks since he took over in 2019, more duds than studs if you look real hard at each draft.

If they don't land one, we are stuck with an inept offense for a few years only to start over again.

The other question, if Lamar leaves, will Smith still want to sign here?

Smith is the #1 priority here, for how many years have we not built around the D? And we better beef up the D line, Campbell will most likely retire at seasons end.

We so-called built the team around Lamar and that has totally blown up in our face, I'm sick of the MVP talk, teams didn't know how to defend him in 2019. Lamar has been figured out. 

Nobody knows the extent of his knee injury, maybe he needs surgery?

[varaven45]

Yep, ready to move on from Lamar.  The sooner we land a legit franchise QB - this year, next year - the better.  

Dont know we can swing it,but would love to see Max Duggan in purple in 23!  If not, we sign a FA as a bridge QB.      

Either way, we have the foundation - OL and RBs in place - just need the OC and QB.  

[oldno82]

Gotta sign Roquan.

[tsylvester]

Maybe we can swing getting Sam Howell from the Commandos, he is starting this weekend. He has it all, it appears.. hey a guy could dream.

The issue with college quarterbacks is the system they play in. Some college coaches teach to throw or look to throw to what should be an open area, rather than truly reading a defense. They tend to float an area rather than teach a qb to read the coverage, see who should be open based on routes & coverages.

Duggan comes from a system that takes advantage of coverages, causing miss matches. Buy time with his legs to force an open man, exploit it. He also plays in a conference that is terrible on defense, coverages to be exact. Sure, a team may have one solid cover guy, but by and large, yuk.

What you look for is a qb who dominates that weak coverage, like Mahomes did, or who has the mobility and accuracy, but his line or receivers are average. Duggan has a great wide out, one whom I hope the Ravens sell out and get, provided the qb position is fixed.

Kentucky, though, runs a pro style offense, much like North Caroline where Howell came from and where his young replacement who looks Heisman worthy in coming years.

Will Levis is that type of guy. Pro system, very mobile, accurate on all, I mean all of the throws. He has steam on the ball, easily making the throw from the far hash to the near, a big deal in college. Touch down field, know how to throw the back shoulder. Will he be a great? Ack, who knows, but I think he could be and we can get him and Quentin Johnston in the first with the picks from the Lamar trade should it occur.

[tsylvester]

Gonna bump this in light of another thread about an article on this...

I'll bump with this add.

Did you watch my Dawgs last night? A master class of not playing down to your opponent, of playing up to your potential. Todd Monkton, the offensive coordinator for Georgia, called a perfect game. Yes, having the players to execute it helps, but there it is.

One route combination I want to highlight is the touchdown pass to a wide open Ladd McConkey for gobs of yards.

On the play, matching slots, with a runningback in an offset formation. They use heavy play action, then send the slot receiver on a deep cross in front of the safety to draw the safety. They then have Ladd go deep to the post with a slight fake to flag. At the same time they bring the back, off of play action to hold the backers, go straight out, Full speed up the sideline at, key, at the corner on the boundary side.

This put the corner to that side in conflict, cover the back he sees streaking at him, or stay, as he should have, with McConkey. That hesitation allowed Ladd to sprint into the endzone, some 20 yards uncovered to make the easy catch.

What we see mostly, is a back flaring on a wheel route, to the same side as a wide out, split out, on a comeback route to the same side.  No body to run off the safety, no one to out the corner in conflict, no play action to hold the backers inside. In essence, no imagination, no help for the receivers to get open, the backs to exploit open yards, for the qb to take advantage.