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I think the talent is there in the secondary but it seems Orr might be having growing pains utilizing it. Plus, Hamilton was hurt but says he's ok to go now. We'll know a whole lot more about this whole team after Sunday. Can the O-line open holes for Henry? Can they offer a decent chance on pass protection? What will the play calling and execution look like? Can the D shut Cowboys down more often than not? A lot riding on this game even though it's only 3 games in.

Read this quote from Zreibic about the secondary: "In that case, there’s a lot to fix. Through two weeks, the Ravens have allowed the most passing yards in the NFL (257 per game). They’re also allowing the league’s third-highest completion percentage (75.8) and yards per attempt (8.6), and the ninth-highest quarterback rating (98.5)." Some of this might be on the pass rush...I haven't seen any stats on pressures from our D.

I hope he does. Now I found out Hamilton was out of practice today with a back injury. No other details. Maybe it's been bothering him for a while. Orr has a mountain of info to learn while doing it on the job and following a defensive genius. I don't envy him.

Our secondary has certainly been a weakspot I didn't see coming. Seems like Kyle Hamilton has disappeared. WTF happened with that? Is it Orr's schemes? I think the O-line will gradually get better as the season progresses. Unfortunately, it probably still won't be good enough to run with the big dogs. Cowboys are a good team and will be highly motivated whereas the Ravens just look depressed. I don't think Harbs is doing a good job of motivating this year and despite some opinion pieces I've read, I think he will be on the hotseat by mid-season if this keeps up. Looking right now at an 0-5 start...maybe I'm wrong...I hope I am.

BTW Dobbins had another good day for the Ravens-West. McDonald picks up win number 2 for Seattle.

Is it just me or does it seem that Harbaugh is burning out? Last week and this week he just hasn't had his old pizzaz on the field or in the locker room. And not just on game days. Maybe it's getting to be time for him to retire. He has been around a long time and he's 61 now, I think. Just wondering.

Preston from The Sun: " Coaching The Ravens started off strong, but M&T Bank Stadium lacked energy. There were a lot of empty seats and a lot of Raiders fans behind the Las Vegas bench. Coach John Harbaugh failed on two challenges, and the Ravens didn’t make any serious adjustments on offense or defense in the second half. Despite the NFL being a pass-happy league, the game is still won on the offensive and defensive lines. If there are weaknesses, the coaches have to make adjustments, and the Ravens haven’t made any in the first two games. Losing to the Raiders in the home opener is almost unforgivable. Grade: D"

Most disappointing to me is state of our defense since McDonald left. I know it will take Orr some time to get in a groove but the talent on defense is there but the coaching is not. Plus the defense just doesn't look fired up to play like they have in the past. I knew the O-line would be a mess and it was. Although they played better in the 2nd half. Meanwhile I think this could very well be Harbs' last season...he doesn't look fired up either. In short, too many good coaches have left the building.

I'll say.

First Andrews now Wiggins...maybe the team should bus all the guys to practice.

Wiggins is out for this Sunday.

This is an easier test for the Ravens and I think they'll do well. The offensive line has another week of work together though I think they'll still be mediocre. Hoping Lamar doesn't have to run and take as much punishment as he did last game. Hopefully, Keaton Mitchell gets back in a few weeks to rev up the running game but he'll still need time to knock the rust off even if he is able to come back then. We definitely need to take the running workload off of Lamar. Feed the ball more to our big dog back. By the way, did anyone notice JK Dobbins ran for 135 yards last week?

Insane.

I agree that there's a lot of ambiguity regarding what we know during a given play. But I do know Harbs made a stupid decision to go for it on 4th and 3 so early and with the field position we had. I can see underthrown balls and overthrown ones to deep receivers who have a step on a defensive back and we lose out on a game changing TD. And I know a crappy offensive line when I see one. Been seeing most of these things for a long time now without a correction. We seem unable to have a well coached game against the best teams. And Lamar can't throw deep well. Finally, I know we held out our first stringers in the preseason play so there'd be no injuries, but we should have played some portion of those games with them in there to establish some coordination and continuity. Practice is important but no substitute for playing some in a real game even a preseason one. Last year we had the best team in the league and we still got stonewalled in the playoffs. This year's team is way less talented due to the poor play of the O-line and the turnover of coaches we've had. And realistically, how much longer can we count on Lamar to lead the team in rushing without getting injured? And look at what we have backing him up.

I'll just sum up my feelings by saying the best team won that game. Stupid, stupid mistakes by our offensive line combined with poor O-line play in general. Lamar, who certainly has his own drawbacks, was under too much pressure as in the last time we played them. Mark Andrews has disappeared in the eyes of Lamar. And they still didn't run the ball enough. Twelve carries by Henry isn't going to cut it. Another stupid call by Harbaugh on the 4th down play early in the game to go for it. Another miss by Tucker on a FG he used to make with ease. Another strip-sack of Lamar deep in on our end of the field. Same-old same-old stupidity and Macdonalld wasn't there to shut down the Chiefs.

I'm afraid you're right, Dee.

Yes I'm surprised it's that bad too. But it is what it is.

Yes…any data?

I wonder what that stat is for Mike Andrews prior to last season.

Could be Harbs' last year regardless. Every coach who has been around the same team for as long as he has begins to experience testiness and message burnout. Could be his last season. We'll have to see how team does this year.

I think it's going to be a difficult season for the Ravens. So much organizational and team turnover coupled with an overall drop in talent. I see a relatively easy Chiefs win. Even DeCosta said he expects our offensive line to have some hiccups this year. It's all going to be up to how Lamar can avoid pressure and how well that O-line can create holes for Henry to get into, assuming he's still got enough tread on his tires to last a whole season as an effective back. Finally, the league schedule makers didn't do the Ravens any favors. The schedule is brutal with the way so many games are compressed with limited days off.

Glad to see Miller is with the practice squad...we may need him the first time one of our WR gets injured.

Wondering if they keep Miller in addition to Agholor and who they might cut to keep Miller. He had a solid pre-season.

OK...I'll stop hyperventilating for now. If only I could find my paper bag. It's around here somewhere.

Well, Tsyl, all I can say is I hope you're right and I'm wrong. Right now, I have zero confidence in the line and in its coaching.