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Mark Zinno Citarella You people crack me up. Just because I said I believed Mike Preston and trusted his judgment doesn't mean I criticized fans who didn't. I never had a problem with fans who didn't believe him. I had a problem with fans calling him a "hack" and saying that he "hates the Raven" ... etc. Those things are false. And furthermore - why is Tony Lombardi so credible and Mike Preston not? I know Tony very well, but I also know he isn't a credenitaled member of the media. He isn't at the Castle covering the team, so from that standpoint, it's still a matter of who you believe - Mike or Tony?

He has a very good point.

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Um, Tony said the Harbs would not hire anyone who could replace him.... To me, he said the same thing Preston did, so it is not a choice between the two as to whom to believe, they were both wrong, time to move on.....

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Um, Tony said the Harbs would not hire anyone who could replace him.... To me, he said the same thing Preston did, so it is not a choice between the two as to whom to believe, they were both wrong, time to move on.....

Tony is saying he was wrong now. Someone from the Ravens reached out to him. Seems like damage control.

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Since the Preston piece came out, both Lombardi and Byrne have changed their stories. Each version more ridiculous than the last. I smell sweat and a lame attempt to cover ass. Preston had it right from the start.

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Since the Preston piece came out, both Lombardi and Byrne have changed their stories. Each version more ridiculous than the last. I smell sweat and a lame attempt to cover ass. Preston had it right from the start.

Really? Can you provide any links about both changing their stories? If so. I'll retract my original thoughts on this thread.

I don't believe that's going to happen though. How about you?

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Since the Preston piece came out, both Lombardi and Byrne have changed their stories. Each version more ridiculous than the last. I smell sweat and a lame attempt to cover ass. Preston had it right from the start.

 

 

 

Byrne has not changed his story, not in the context you speak. He has given more detail about what and how it all came together. Since Preston's story, anothe Sun reporter has come out and pretty much backed up what the Ravens have said, not Preston. And Tony has done nothing but back track as well.

 

See, he gets paid per click, so even if he reports something that is wrong, he gets paid. When he has to print a retraction, he gets paid and people think; how stand up he is for admitting he was wrong. Like Preston, he knows, bad publicity is still publicity.

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Byrne has not changed his story, not in the context you speak. He has given more detail about what and how it all came together. Since Preston's story, anothe Sun reporter has come out and pretty much backed up what the Ravens have said, not Preston. And Tony has done nothing but back track as well.

 

See, he gets paid per click, so even if he reports something that is wrong, he gets paid. When he has to print a retraction, he gets paid and people think; how stand up he is for admitting he was wrong. Like Preston, he knows, bad publicity is still publicity.

Soooooooooooo, that means you buy into the story that John Harbaugh " miraculously " found Kubiack after hours..er..days ..er.. weeks of conversations between the two?

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Show me where that was stated...quote it.

 

Frankly, who gives a shit. We have a bonafide OC...f the drama that may or may not be...let's get to August.

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Who gives a shit? Obviously I do. I love this team and this organization because it respects the intelligence of it's fanbase. And I wouldn't want it to slide into a slipshod stumblebum franchise like the one 30 miles to the south of here.

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Soooooooooooo, that means you buy into the story that John Harbaugh " miraculously " found Kubiack after hours..er..days ..er.. weeks of conversations between the two?

 

 

 

Excuse me, but if you read what I have posted about this topic, well before Byrne made his statement you will see I pretty much said what he stated. No, I do not believe everything everyone, Byrne included, says, but I know the team, the people involved better than most fans. I know how Preston and Lombardi work, how they get their stories, how their main motive is todrive conversation, good or bad about THEM, because it makes them money.

 

I have backed up my claims with articles, have you? No, every time some one asks you for the direct quote, you change the subject, get defensive, why?

 

Facts- Kubs wanted to be a head coach again. There were several teams in need of a new head coach. He wanted to see about those jobs before looking at the oc job with other teams. The Ravens were interested in him from the start, they made, as every team does, a list of new oc as soon as the season ended and Caldwell told them he wanted to interview for head coaching jobs.

 

More Facts- While they waited for Kubs to posibly be hired as a head coach, they interviewed many, many candidates. ALL TEAMS DO THIS. They, as an organization, wanted to go with a zone blocking scheme, the league is moving in that direction, so they wanted an OC who coached that way; thus their final candidates. Kubs wanted to come here as an oc when he did not get any shots at a head coach position- HIS WORDS.

 

Cleveland did not want to have Kubs have total say over the offfensive staff, so talks with them broke down. Shannahan was their (the Ravens) top choice and they vetted him properly-As every team would. He was their final choice up to the point Kubs was in final talks with the Browns. Dennison, HIS WORDs, backs all of this up and stated Kubs the job here, thus, opening up talks, AGAIN, just as they had to begin this process, with Kubs and he was hired.

 

These are facts as told by Steve, Ozzie, John, Kubs, Dennison and yes, along with Byrne. Again, Check my posts, the dates of them, you will see I outlined the likely way this went down, before it was made known. Not because I have insider info, but because I know how teams, including the Ravens, go through their process of looking for coached. Thus, I do not doubt it happend very close to the way portrayed by the Ravens, because that is how business in the NFL is done.

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Who gives a shit? Obviously I do. I love this team and this organization because it respects the intelligence of it's fanbase. And I wouldn't want it to slide into a slipshod stumblebum franchise like the one 30 miles to the south of here.

I don't think the team necisarily thiink the fans are intelligent. Remember when the fans questioned Mattison? Harbs basically said the fans are stupid.

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Eisenberg weighs in on this here:

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Difference-Between-Ravens-And-Dysfunctional-Teams/930dde46-9443-4098-a77f-300f2ff33d2b

 

He also says something I too have been wondering about. Is Joe going to buy in to Kub's way of doing things and challenging him? Joe's been noticeably quiet on this whole thing so far.

 

Joe just had a lousy year-22 interceptions. I'd be quiet too.

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Joe just had a lousy year-22 interceptions. I'd be quiet too.

 

 

 

He and his wife also had a new baby this year, maybe he just wants to take more time to get to know the child..... People forget, players have families too and to raise one takes a lot of time.

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i don't care how many kids Joe has, he better learn the new playbook.The ravens didn't pay him 62 million over 3 years for him to half-step about learning the new system, he already doesn't look too good with that stunt he pulled when Tyrod was getting snaps in the jets game. now if he can't comprehend or won't put in the time to comprehend a new system, it'll let the ravens fanbase know that it was all about the money.

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