RavenousBG Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I think Ozzie is confident that we can retain Monroe. The question is what if the Dolphins or some unknown team wants to offer him 6 yrs 60 mil or something. How do you think that impacts what we do moving forward? I think we sign Oher at a workable number and draft an LT. But that also means our plans at WR change also. Hakeem Nicks may be the answer because I don't think any FA WRs are going to get huge money. We still have 8 days to sign Monroe so I'm jumping the gun a little but it could happen. Monroe is our ideal answer at LT. Quote
oldno82 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I've got a feeling, he's gone. He's the best available FA LT. I hope they have a Plan B. Quote
Tornado700 Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I think he's gone too. Left tackle is probably the 2nd most important position on the offense. If Monroe goes, the Ravens front office has some big problems. Just don't move Oher back there. Quote
cravnravn Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 If they put Oher at LT. We are screwed, this non tagging of Monroe is puzzling, they could of tagged him and worked a deal, some team is going to be sitting on bis front porch at midnight on free agency night and he will no longer be a raven. And when that happens it's going to be raven egg on their face. I don't understand trading for a player to let him walk away 6 months later. Quote
tsylvester Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 If they put Oher at LT. We are screwed, this non tagging of Monroe is puzzling, they could of tagged him and worked a deal, some team is going to be sitting on bis front porch at midnight on free agency night and he will no longer be a raven. And when that happens it's going to be raven egg on their face. I don't understand trading for a player to let him walk away 6 months later. He is not worth the tag. He is not muh better than what is on the market, the left tackle position is at an all time low for talent. So you don't over pay for what is essentially an average player. Quote
cravnravn Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 It's not overpaying. It's using the tag to make sure you get to negotiate with him. As you said it's a weak lot of LTs out there. And if he's the best of the weak lot then we need him as protection of our investment at qb. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 It is a smart move. Monroe is not worth that much. Do your best to get him back but if he is gone then deal with it. Quote
Money Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 It's not overpaying. It's using the tag to make sure you get to negotiate with him. As you said it's a weak lot of LTs out there. And if he's the best of the weak lot then we need him as protection of our investment at qb. This has been my stance all along. Unfortunately, it might mean that the Ravens didn't feel they would be able to get a deal done (in which case they would indeed be stuck paying him the $11.5mil or so). The good news is that the Raiders didn't tag Veldheer and Albert is available as well. I'm guessing they wanted to leave their options open. We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out. 1 Quote
tsylvester Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 It's not overpaying. It's using the tag to make sure you get to negotiate with him. As you said it's a weak lot of LTs out there. And if he's the best of the weak lot then we need him as protection of our investment at qb. Here is the rub. He is the best of the weak, but not by much. You can find tackles like him, poor against power ruhers, only good for zone blocking, not good at anticipation and prone to giving up a sack once every 15 drop backs because he tires easy and gets lazy with his foot work. Quote
Money Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 There are definitely options. Besides Veldheer and Albert who I mentioned above, there is also Anthony Collins. Collins was actually very good for Cincy last year and would most likely be cheaper than any of the other guys. Quote
RavenousBG Posted March 4, 2014 Author Posted March 4, 2014 What's Monroe worth per year? 8 mil 9 mil? Hensley has him in that range but I offer no more than an average of 7.5 mil because he isn't top 5 good and barely top 10. He is only 26 but is he ever going to get top five good? I doubt it. I kind of agree that someone is going to overpay. I think he's gone. Think Ozzie is losing his touch Cravn? I don't but still may have been a misstep here. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 This looks like it was a poor trade. What was it a 12 game rental for a couple of picks? Quote
Money Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 This looks like it was a poor trade. What was it a 12 game rental for a couple of picks? I think it all depends on what comp pick they receive. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 No. They would have gotten the comp picks no matter. It looks like they threw away picks. Quote
Money Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 No. They would have gotten the comp picks no matter. It looks like they threw away picks. No. The comp pick they receive next year for Monroe (if he's signed by someone else). Unless, of course, they sign another UFA themselves. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 They will sign people this yr. You won't get the picks until next yr which will be a weak draft since so many underclassmen have propped this one up to being so good. Quote
vmax Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I smell a ton of transition for the O line.Look out Joe! 2 Quote
cravnravn Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I smell a ton of transition for the O line.Look out Joe!Uggggh, my thoughts too, what's the times being sacked record? Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 You can't tag Monroe. He isn't that good. Really? He's a top-10 LT in the league. Who do they have that's better? Who would you use the tag on? I just wanted to go back to this. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Just to point out that some have a clear view of the team while others see it behind purple shaded glasses. Quote
Money Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Just to point out that some have a clear view of the team while others see it behind purple shaded glasses. You're always good for a laugh. Quote
RavenousBG Posted March 4, 2014 Author Posted March 4, 2014 Well if we have new LT and RT then the coaching staff has to earn it's money. It's been said that Castillo works better with young lineman. I hope that's true and that zone blocking done right can hide some shortcomings. Quote
Money Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I smell a ton of transition for the O line.Look out Joe! I think it's obvious that Monroe and the Ravens weren't even close in negotiations. If they were, the tag would have been used. Ozzie had no problem using the tag on Suggs, Ngata and Rice because he knew long term deals would get done. He obviously was not confident about Monroe. There are still a ton of moves that can be made. There are several good LTs and numerous Cs available in FA. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I think it's obvious that Monroe and the Ravens weren't even close in negotiations. If they were, the tag would have been used. Ozzie had no problem using the tag on Suggs, Ngata and Rice because he knew long term deals would get done. He obviously was not confident about Monroe. There are still a ton of moves that can be made. There are several good LTs and numerous Cs available in FA. Suggs-One of the best pass rushers in the league at the time.Ngata-Th ebest DT in the league.Rice-Top 5 RB.Monroe is what 12-15 LT. He isn't a top guy so you can't give him that leverage to get that money. Quote
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