52isUnstoppable Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 This was posted by a fan on r/ravens but he makes some good points. Hopefully the video works, facebook vids are hit or miss sometimes https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10204153744778424&id=1070226910&refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2Fravens&_rdr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I have seen it. Torrey didn't play it well but Joe should have put it on his left shoulder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robjr83 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Same thing I said after the play. Torrey is soft and won't fight for the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Throw missed or Joe missed the read. Torrey missed several plays he could have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I am to the point that I think the Ravens are better off letting torrey walk. I didn't like how he went hot head at the goal line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 What Torrey did, was no different from what Steve Smith does AFTER EVERY SINGLE PLAY.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Actually it was quite different. SS just spikes the ball when he stands up. Torrey walked around the DB and spiked it right next to him and was talking shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Even if Torrey catches a TD there Brady has 1:40 to get in FG range. With the way our secondary was playing he probably gets a TD. Sure Torrey could have made a play on the ball but it was a poor decision from a time management stand point. Everything was working on offense, especially the run game and intermediate passing game. We should have continued to dink and dunk down the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 But you do put yourself in position to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Agree 150% on TCleetz comment. Its totally inexplicable how the coaches opted to "go for it" with a 2nd and 5 and a buck, 40 seconds on the clock. At the very worst, we had 3 downs to get 5 measly yards for a 1st down. When you consider the success of the running game (Forsett was averaging 5 yds/carry),we totally squandered an opportunity to get in the red zone/score a TD with less than a minute (probably 30 seconds). Like most of you, I won't ever understand the thought process that led to this ill advised pass and season/playoff ending INT. Likewise, I wont ever understanding Torrey's light hearted effort in such a critical juncture of the game. His effort completely defied the energy, passion and sense of urgency shown by the team in this final playoff run. Love to have that 1:40 over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Agree 150% on TCleetz comment. Its totally inexplicable how the coaches opted to "go for it" with a 2nd and 5 and a buck, 40 seconds on the clock. At the very worst, we had 3 downs to get 5 measly yards for a 1st down. When you consider the success of the running game (Forsett was averaging 5 yds/carry),we totally squandered an opportunity to get in the red zone/score a TD with less than a minute (probably 30 seconds). Like most of you, I won't ever understand the thought process that led to this ill advised pass and season/playoff ending INT. Likewise, I wont ever understanding Torrey's light hearted effort in such a critical juncture of the game. His effort completely defied the energy, passion and sense of urgency shown by the team in this final playoff run. Love to have that 1:40 over again. See, I disagree on the premise here. You're saying give up $1m now for a chance at $1m one the course of however many other plays. If the points were there, you take them. I am also not sure that the play was designed to be a big one, but you can't keep every one short. Torrey went deep not because we wanted to go there, but as a part of a play designed to get as many guys open as possible. Joe made the decision to go to Torrey, in error, not thinking the safety was there (or could get there). I don't blame the play call - even if it were designed to score, I would not blame it. Joe made a bad read. I'm done with this play. Apparently it alone decided this game, which I can't get on board with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well, as a fan to another fan, I respectfully disagree. We completely abandoned our strength (and what the Pats had not stopped) and became one dimensional at the absolutely worst time of the game.In short, I submit this team did not ultimately put its best foot forward at the end. That's all I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I don't entirely disagree. I just can't get on board with the "don't score now" movement. If points are there, you take them. If that Torrey play had a 100% chance of working, what is so you give the O to score the remainder of the drive if they don't take those points? It certainly wouldn't be 100%. Obviously that play and no play is 100%, but I'm just not convinced as everyone else that we would have so easily be in the end zone in five plays... There were obviously several points in the last few series where we stalled, including near the goal line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Good point. I'm under no illusion that a TD was walk in the park. You are right - as we staled on previous drives. But by "abandoning" the run, we became one dimensional, predictable and much easier to defend for Doctor Bellicheat.Plus, notwithstanding your point about scoring when its there, the "quick" score still gives Brady and Co an eternity to score. They would have only needed a FG to tie - send to OT. With Brady "waiting in the wings" , the team must have given some consideration to the clock. You are right. Its over, its a shame and I'm movin on. Maybe this missed opp has the same effect as the previous AFCC game and we build on this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I have absolutely no problem with the play selection. It's not unusual to try and catch the defense off guard there. My issue was worst case scenario should have been 3rd and 5. I have been on the fence with Torrey all season. He is a maddening player to watch on the field. I'm not on the fence anymore. Time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Well, as a fan to another fan, I respectfully disagree. We completely abandoned our strength (and what the Pats had not stopped) and became one dimensional at the absolutely worst time of the game.In short, I submit this team did not ultimately put its best foot forward at the end. That's all I got. FIRE KUBIAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
52isUnstoppable Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 I have absolutely no problem with the play selection. It's not unusual to try and catch the defense off guard there. My issue was worst case scenario should have been 3rd and 5. I have been on the fence with Torrey all season. He is a maddening player to watch on the field. I'm not on the fence anymore. Time to move on. I like the call there. Torrey absolutely torched that cornerback. Its basically a wr vs a safety and joe took the shot. He went for it. I cant get mad at joe for having faith in his wr to make a play or at the very least prevent the opponet from making a play. Even if torrey just gets a hand on it we still have two downs to get five yards and keep the drive going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yea...the Lee Evans drop was 10 times worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Good point. I'm under no illusion that a TD was walk in the park. You are right - as we staled on previous drives. But by "abandoning" the run, we became one dimensional, predictable and much easier to defend for Doctor Bellicheat.Plus, notwithstanding your point about scoring when its there, the "quick" score still gives Brady and Co an eternity to score. They would have only needed a FG to tie - send to OT. With Brady "waiting in the wings" , the team must have given some consideration to the clock. You are right. Its over, its a shame and I'm movin on. Maybe this missed opp has the same effect as the previous AFCC game and we build on this game. Side note: I totally agree about abandoning the run in general... Sigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 I like the call there. Torrey absolutely torched that cornerback. Its basically a wr vs a safety and joe took the shot. He went for it. I cant get mad at joe for having faith in his wr to make a play or at the very least prevent the opponet from making a play. Even if torrey just gets a hand on it we still have two downs to get five yards and keep the drive going Totally agree. Torey needed to step up and make a play. I think any way we could have gotten a TD was justified. It was a slightly off throw by Joe and a weak-ass, half-hearted attempt by Torrey to make a play. Not to bitch on Torrey so much because I like the kid as a high-character, give back to the city kind of guy who can get open deep at least once or twice a game. Trouble is, his only other route is a slant over the middle and I don't think he's tough enough to consistently do that enough and not get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't see where the throw was off at all, even in the video Joe led torrey, for Torrey to just give up like he did puts the blame on Joe, that ball was not that over thrown. And if we can see this I'm sure the coaches see the lack of effort by Torrey also. Torrey, you have speed and are a good person but I'm sure that was your last pass from Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 I don't see where the throw was off at all, even in the video Joe led torrey, for Torrey to just give up like he did puts the blame on Joe, that ball was not that over thrown. And if we can see this I'm sure the coaches see the lack of effort by Torrey also. Torrey, you have speed and are a good person but I'm sure that was your last pass from Joe.Well either Joe didn't know the safety was there and it was a bad throw into the safety or he did know and it was a bad throw into the safety. It's a fine throw if there is no safety. But you could say that about 95% of the picks and defended passes in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 All I can say is if that was Steve Smith, that safety would be coughing up blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornado700 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Torrey could have extended for the play. Reached out, dove, anything to at least get some fingers on the ball. Had he done that, it might have been an incomplete pass. He didn't try and that's what bothers me. Personally, the Pats secondary got into Torrey's head that day. Two personal fouls is not like Torrey Smith. He had a bad game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted January 17, 2015 Share Posted January 17, 2015 Torrey could have extended for the play. Reached out, dove, anything to at least get some fingers on the ball. Had he done that, it might have been an incomplete pass. He didn't try and that's what bothers me. Personally, the Pats secondary got into Torrey's head that day. Two personal fouls is not like Torrey Smith. He had a bad game.Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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