cokedupwerewolf Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Is all the stuff about Ray refusing the home town discount and seeming to only really care about the money at this point due to him having huge money troubles? I'm not sure how much of these things are true, but I've heard several things that could easily make this true. First that he recently or some what recently paid a big settlement to peoplein regards to the Atlanta thing, and second because we had A LOT(like the 5-8 range) of kids and many are with different women. I was just wondering anyone knows anything about these things, because if they are it makes sense the way he acting right now, and also could make our job of keeping him around if it really is about EVERY dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMoreHon Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised that he is hurting for money. Because of the Atlanta incident, what he didn't pay in settlement, he paid in legal fees as well as lack of endorsement money throughout his career (only recently has he shown up in more adverstisements). Tthe kid situation doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmore52 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised that he is hurting for money. Because of the Atlanta incident, what he didn't pay in settlement, he paid in legal fees as well as lack of endorsement money throughout his career (only recently has he shown up in more adverstisements). Tthe kid situation doesn't help. Don't forget about his failing business that he has. At least I think they are failing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinmaniac52 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Don't forget about his failing business that he has. At least I think they are failing? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 ??? His resturant business is tanking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinmaniac52 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 His resturant business is tanking. I didn't think they were his. Thought they just used his name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 He put money in but it was the Maloofs who have the biggest stake. As for the kids I have heard 11 from 7 mothers several times. He is cash poor. That is why he will be going for every penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Personally, this whole conversation is a joke. First, Ray is PLENTY endorsed. UnderArmour, Adidas, Madden, etc... He may not have commercials everywhere, but only the top 3-4 names in the league get that kind of attention at any given time. But he does have his endorsements and plenty of money coming in from them. Second, an speculation about his family is just insane. Yes, he has a lot of kids with a lot of women. But if he's not married to them and never was, they don't get alimony or any other money... they only get child support. And even at a ridiculously high rate, it that would hardly scratch the surface of his annual salary. As for legal incidents? Legal fees might be costing him a bit. And so might a payout to the Atlanta families... but we don't know any details there and it's silly to try to guess. Even if there was some kind of payout, he would be given the right to pay in increments like anyone else and it wouldn't be killing his current income. Bottom line: Ray is going hard for his money because he thinks he deserves it. He has always played his hand close and always been tough to bargain with - maybe not Terrell Suggs tough at times, but still tough. He thinks he knows his value to this team and to any team and he wants that value matched. Hell, we're hearing that the Pats may franchise Matt Cassel for 14.5m... 14.5m for a back-up quarterback. How much do great defensive leaders make? Half that? He wants his pay and, even if I think it's greedy, I can't blame him for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsEclipse Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 He isn't broke, he just bought oceanfront property in the Bahamas Link... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 He isn't broke, he just bought oceanfront property in the Bahamas Link... Then he'll need more money when the ocean swallows that up due to global warming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cokedupwerewolf Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 Then he'll need more money when the ocean swallows that up due to global warming. Global warming will in fact make the water level go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colincac Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Global warming will in fact make the water level go down. You might want to double check your info there man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cokedupwerewolf Posted February 15, 2009 Author Share Posted February 15, 2009 You might want to double check your info there man. Stick ice in water and watch what the water level does when it melts. Ice takes up more space than water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceEight Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Stick ice in water and watch what the water level does when it melts. Ice takes up more space than water. Incorrect. The molecules in ice are more tightly packed together than they are in water. More water means more space required per molecule, which means the water level will increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenAround Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Ocean levels rising or falling with the melting of the polar ice cap...volume is the key, or is it? Molecular basis for the Volume Increase of Ice: The normal pattern for most compounds is that as the temperature of the liquid increases, the density decreases as the molecules spread out from each other. As the temperature decreases, the density increases as the molecules become more closely packed. This pattern does not hold true for ice as the exact opposite occurs. In liquid water each molecule is hydrogen bonded to approximately 3.4 other water molecules. In ice each each molecule is hydrogen bonded to 4 other molecules. The above would indicate that as the ice melts the volume of displaced water would decrease resulting in a lowering of ocean levels, but...how much of the current volume of melting ice is actually sitting out/above the ocean? That fact changes everything. One would have to calculate the volume drop of ice "submerged" melting versus the volume increase due to new volumes of water being introduced by ice melting that is currently out/above the surface of the oceans. You'll also have to add in the new volume of water created by melting ice in the form of runoff from land like Antartica and Greenland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 And how about this angle... Global warming causes ice to melt in arctic caps. Between more ice melting and more global warming, the overall ocean temperature changes slightly (up or down). The slight change in temperature disrupts major ocean systems... like the Gulf Stream, which with little explanation, delivers warmer water and therefore warmer climate to areas from the east coast of the US (us, the north east) to the west of Europe (Portugal, England, etc)... The dissolution of the Gulf Stream changes the climate of most northern countries and land masses, and the water surrounding them... ... thus lowering overall global temperatures and ocean temperatures... and resulting in more ice? (head spinning yet?) That's the basis of The Day After Tomorrow... though the movie clearly stretched it... but still, quite funky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceEight Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Elitists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 So.....if I'm correct in my analysis of this thread....because Ray is broke, the ice caps are melting. I don't know how I didn't see that before! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 So.....if I'm correct in my analysis of this thread....because Ray is broke, the ice caps are melting. I don't know how I didn't see that before! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 What kind of person does it make me if I really don't care whether global warming is real or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Global Warming my ass, we only had 2 days in January above 32 degrees. Coldest January in a decade. Land in the Bahamas is not that expensive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keveeno Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here in MN, our warmest day in jan was 8 I think, and it got down to -28 with near -50 windchill. But february came and they said its the warmest they had in years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Here in MN, our warmest day in jan was 8 I think, and it got down to -28 with near -50 windchill. But february came and they said its the warmest they had in years. You should be thankful for global warming then! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeenAround Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) What kind of person does it make me if I really don't care whether global warming is real or not? It makes you a true blue American. We just consume, we don't give a rat's ass about the ramifications. Edited February 16, 2009 by cravnravn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 It makes you a true blue American. We just consume, we don't give a rat's ass about the ramifications. Thank You Al Gore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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