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With the 17th pick of the 2014 NFL Draft, The Baltimore Ravens select

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It is ridiculous that the Steelers are in front of us when they would have beaten us out for a WC.

 

1. Houston Texans - 2-14 (.559)
2. St. Louis Rams (via Washington Redskins) - 3-13 (.516)
3. Jacksonville Jaguars - 4-12 (.504)
4. Cleveland Browns - 4-12 (.516)
5. Oakland Raiders - 4-12 (.523)
6. Atlanta Falcons - 4-12 (.553)
7. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - 4-12 (.574)
8. Minnesota Vikings - 5-10-1 (.512)
9. Buffalo Bills - 6-10 (.520)
10. Detroit Lions - 7-9 (.457)
11. Tennessee Titans - 7-9 (.504)
12. New York Giants - 7-9 (.520)
13. St. Louis Rams - 7-9 (.551)
14. Chicago Bears - 8-8 (.465)
15. Pittsburgh Steelers - 8-8 (.469)
16 or 17. Baltimore Ravens - 8-8 (.484)
16 or 17. Dallas Cowboys - 8-8 (.484)
18. New York Jets - 8-8 (.488)
19. Miami Dolphins - 8-8 (.523)
20. Arizona Cardinals - 10-5 (.529)

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We need to build from the bottom up, starting with the O line. Give Joe some time and the passing game and the running game drastically improves.

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There are a number of very good receivers coming out this year, this may be the best over all draft for receivers. LSU has two coming out in Landry and Becham, both great over the middle, quick feet, and hand catchers, though not as big. The issue for the Ravens will be draft picks, the quicker receivers who need a little work will be lower rounds, which the Ravens have few. Then there is the issue of developing receivers, never been done. Even Smith needs a lot of work, still, even though he had a statistically good year. He struggles with contested catches, with finding and adjusting properly to the ball in the air. Then there is staying on his route.......

 

Brown is going to be a star, size, good speed, hands, hands and more hands. If the Ravens ever get Joe consistant time, Brown will kill teams over the deep middle.

 

This year, teams were not scared of the receivers, could pressure with just four and their linebackers stayed within 8 yards of the los, which is why dump off passes didn't work any longer. Single coverage on the outside leaves safeties in the middle making every throw across the middle contested, congested. Quickness, real quickness at the reciver spot will stop that, for certain and open up the deep game again.

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There are a number of very good receivers coming out this year, this may be the best over all draft for receivers. LSU has two coming out in Landry and Becham, both great over the middle, quick feet, and hand catchers, though not as big. The issue for the Ravens will be draft picks, the quicker receivers who need a little work will be lower rounds, which the Ravens have few. Then there is the issue of developing receivers, never been done. Even Smith needs a lot of work, still, even though he had a statistically good year. He struggles with contested catches, with finding and adjusting properly to the ball in the air. Then there is staying on his route.......

 

Brown is going to be a star, size, good speed, hands, hands and more hands. If the Ravens ever get Joe consistant time, Brown will kill teams over the deep middle.

 

This year, teams were not scared of the receivers, could pressure with just four and their linebackers stayed within 8 yards of the los, which is why dump off passes didn't work any longer. Single coverage on the outside leaves safeties in the middle making every throw across the middle contested, congested. Quickness, real quickness at the reciver spot will stop that, for certain and open up the deep game again.

 

Oh snap.

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how about a RT that doesn't get pushed 10 yards in the backfield by a DB on run plays

 

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That right there is crazy. Look how much bigger he is and he is getting pushed around like he's an empty plastic bag on a windy day.

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That right there is crazy. Look how much bigger he is and he is getting pushed around like he's an empty plastic bag on a windy day.

Sometimes there's just not enough coaching up by Sandra Bullock. Sometimes ......

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We need to draft some badass maulers. I am comfortable with Moneoe at LT. He played better down the stretch. Yanda and KO are great guards as long as they are healthy. What we need is a mauler at RT or LG (depending on where KO plays). Then of course we need a center. Center is maybe where we need to go in the first round. Are there any stud centers this draft?

 

I honestly think we are ok at WR. We do not need a star receiver, just more variety at WR and TE. We NEED a small, quick, slot receiver. When Stokely was healthy Joe threw to him a lot. We need our own Wes Welker or Andrew Hawkins. We need one more receiving tight end to compliment Pitta.

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http://walterfootball.com/draft2014C.php

 

Travis Swanson, C, Arkansas
Height: 6-4. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.05.
Projected Round (2014): 2-3.
12/7/13: Swanson helped pave the way for Arkansas freshman Alex Collins to run well this season. Swanson has shown some strength and athleticism at the point of attack. He was called a dirty player by a Florida defensive tackle and the Gators had a strong game shutting Arkansas down. Swanson played well against South Carolina. He has some strength and mobility. He's been invited to play in the Senior Bowl. Swanson looks like a quick starter in the NFL.

8/7/13: Swanson has started all 38 games of his collegiate career so far; he was a standout blocker in the SEC the past three seasons. The junior was a Second-Team All-SEC selection in 2012.

Swanson has done an admirable job in pass protection as the Razorbacks have fielded a 3,000-yard passer each year of his career. He has also well in run blocking, especially in 2010 when running back Knile Davis was healthy.

Swanson should be poised for an interesting season in 2013 playing for Brett Bielma with some young talent at running back. It would help Swanson to continue to add some strength for the NFL. However, he is a well-rounded blocker who could turn into a starting center in the NFL.

Personal: Son of Todd and Gina Swanson.

  1. Bryan Stork, C, Florida State
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 312.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
    Projected Round (2013): 2-3.
    12/7/13: Stork and Florida State have dominated the competition this season. He has been excellent as a run-blocker and a pass-protector for Jameis Winson, although the Seminoles haven't seen a challenging interior defender. Stork left the game against Maryland with a concussion. Stork played well against Miami and Florida. His medical issues could get him downgraded.

    8/7/13: Stork has been coached extremely well at Florida State. He was an excellent run-blocker the past two seasons and has steadily improved his pass protection. Stork saw some playing time at right guard as a redshirt freshman in 2010. He took over at guard the next season for graduated All-American Rodney Hudson. Stork was moved to center after four games and has stayed in the middle of the Seminoles' line.

    Stork had an excellent 2012 season protecting quarterback E.J. Manuel and opening up holes in the ground game. Stork looks like he has the quickness and athleticism to play in a zone-blocking system at the next level, but still retains enough size and strength for a man-blocking system.

    Stork starting experience at guard means he could play guard or center in the NFL. The latter looks like his best position, however. Florida State actually worked Stork at offensive tackle during the spring before the 2012 season, but didn't need to play the junior on the edge in 2012. Still, Stork has some versatility. He played tight end in high school.

  4. Hroniss Grasu*, C, Oregon
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 294.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.10.
    Projected Round (2014): 2-4.
    12/7/13: Early in the year, Oregon blew out weak opponents. Grasu saw a nice test and did well against Tennessee defensive tackle Daniel McCullers in Week 3. Grasu didn't play well against UCLA and had some terrible snaps. He also had some struggles against Stanford and Oregon State. Grasu should return to school and add some strength for the next level.

    8/7/13: Grasu is a quick and athletic center who is a perfect fit in Oregon's high-paced attack. He moves well and has done a fantastic job as a run-blocker the past two seasons. Grasu was an All-Freshman selection by many media outlets in 2011. The only game that the sophomore really struggled in last year was against Stanford. The Cardinal's powerful linemen gave him some problems, which illustrated that Grasu could use more strength for the NFL.

    Personal: Business major. Son of Steve and Mariana.
  1. Weston Richburg, C, Colorado State
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 300.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.19.
    Projected Round (2014): 3-5.
    12/7/13: Richburg has some fans in the scouting community and played well as a senior. The rams averaged 461 yards per game. He led a line that allowed only 20 sacks and averaged 200 yards rushing per game. Richburg will play in the Senior Bowl. He had an impressive outing against Boise State.

    8/7/13: Richburg has been one of the top centers in the nation for the past three seasons. He enters his senior year with 36 straight starts. Richburg was a candidate for the 2012 Rimington Trophy given to the nation's top center. The junior graded out at 90 percent and wasn't called for one penalty last year. He took over as the Rams' starting center in 2011 and was a Second-Team All-Mountain West selection.

    Richburg, a freshman, started all 12 games in 2010 - three at guard and nine at center. He should continue to add strength for the NFL.

    Personal: Animal science major. Son of Danny and Ruth Richburg.

  4. James Stone, C, Tennessee
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 300.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.16.
    Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
    12/7/13: Stone had a mixed year for the Volunteers, but he had some struggles against Florida. Stone bounced back to play much better against Georgia. He didn't play as well against Missouri or Alabama. Sources believe he projects to day three.

    8/7/13: Stone earned a spot in the starting lineup in 2010. The freshman started five games at center and three at left guard. He found a home at center in 2011, starting in the middle for 11 games and once at left guard. Stone played continued to show improvement in 2012 as he was very solid for Tennessee. The Volunteers averaged 475.9 yards per game with 315.6 yards per game through the air last year.

    The Volunteers' offensive line allowed just eight sacks in 2012. Stone did a good job of keeping a clean pocket for Tyler Bray. Stone looks like a better pass-blocker than run-blocker at this point, but his run blocking was better year over year in 2012. He may be best in the NFL in a zone-blocking scheme.

    Personal: Communications major. Son of Nacy Drumgoode.


  7. Jonotthan Harrison, C, Florida
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 295.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.08.
    Projected Round (2013): 4-6.
    12/7/13: Harrison was solid, but unspectacular, for the Gators. He didn't have a very good game against Miami. However, Harrison bounced back against Tennessee. Harrison and the Florida line didn't play well against Missouri but were better against Georgia. He didn't finish the season well against Florida State.

    8/7/13: Harrison played well for Florida in 2012 and did a good job of blocking for Mike Gillislee. Harrison exceled against LSU, but struggled against Georgia. He had a tremendous game versus Florida State and helped gash a good Seminoles' defense. The Gators had a lot of success running straight down the middle behind the junior.

    Harrison made a good decision to return for his senior season. His run blocking is ahead of his pass protection, but he is a good sleeper prospect. Harrison broke into the lineup in 2011, recording starts at center and guard.
  1. Tyler Larsen, C, Utah State
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 312.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.16.
    Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
    12/7/13: Larsen played well for Utah State. He's been a strong run-blocker. Larsen will play in the East-West Shrine Game.

    8/7/13: Larsen has been Aggies' starter at center for the past three seasons and was a First-Team All-WAC selection as a sophomore and junior. He tied for the team lead with an 86 percent overall grade in 2012. Utah State actually evaluated him as carrying out the correct assignment on 97 percent of his snaps with four games at 100 percent. Larsen has some power to his game and could be a nice fit in a man-blocking system. He missed the 2009 season with a knee injury.

    Personal: Interdisciplinary studies major. Son of LeRoy and Barbara Larsen.

  4. David Andrews*, C, Georgia
    Height: 6-2. Weight: 295.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.24.
    Projected Round (2014): 4-6.
    12/7/13: Andrews was a good run-blocker for Todd Gurley this season. Andrews had some issues in the opener against Clemson, but his pass protection was strong against South Carolina and Tennessee. Against Florida, Andrews struggled.

    8/7/13: Andrews did a nice job replacing Ben Jones in 2012. Andrews helped open up a lot of running lanes and did his part to protect quarterback Aaron Murray. The Bulldogs have some talented young running backs who should help Andrews to look good in 2013. The first-year starter improved in both his run blocking and pass blocking as 2012 progressed. He could use more bulk for the NFL and probably should stay for his senior season in 2014.

    Personal: Agribusiness major.


  7. Russell Bodine*, C, North Carolina
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 310.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.11.
    Projected Round (2013): 4-6.
    12/7/13: Bodine didn't look all that impressive in 2013. He should return for his senior year.

    8/7/13: Bodine first saw playing time as a redshirt freshman in 2011. He had two starts at center and graded out highly. Bodine took over last year and had a strong season. He did a good job of run blocking for Giovani Bernard and formed a dangerous interior with guard Jonathan Cooper. Bodine also was a reliable pass-protector for Bryn Renner. Bodine's job will be more difficult as a junior since Cooper is now in the NFL.

    Personal: Exercise and sport science major. Son of Gail and Brian Bodine.


  10. Gabe Ikard, C/G, Oklahoma
    Height: 6-3. Weight: 303.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.30.
    Projected Round (2013): 5-7.
    12/7/13: Overall, Ikard played well for Oklahoma this season. The Sooners have featured an improved ground offense with a more physical approach. Ikard held his own and did well going against Notre Dame's heavy defensive tackle Louis Nix.

    8/7/13: Sources around Oklahoma have spoken about Ikard having the potential to rise like Lane Johnson did a year ago. Ikard has added more weight and strength this offseason, so he could be even better in 2013.

    Ikard consistently won his blocks in last year and is a well-rounded player. He had a rough game against Notre Dame with some botched snaps and struggled to block the Fighting Irish's tough front seven. Ikard played well against Texas and Oklahoma State. His pass protection is well developed, too.

    Ikard started 11 games as a freshman in 2010. He was selected as a First-Team All-Freshman All-American by numerous media outlets and named an honorable mention All-Big XII by the AP.

    Ikard was an All-Big XII first-teamer in 2011, splitting time between guard and center. Starting center Ben Habern missed multiple games with a broken arm, and Ikard filled in with seven starts at center. He returned to left guard for the final three games. With Habern retiring from football, Ikard took over at center in 2012.

    Center is probably the better position for Ikard in the NFL as he is undersized for guard. Ikard was an Academic All-American in 2011 and graded out the highest of any of Oklahoma's offensive linemen including Habern, Donald Stephenson and Lane Johnson.

    Personal: Son of Jim and Becky Ikard. Academic standout in zoology.


  13. Andrew Miller, C, Virginia Tech
    Height: 6-4. Weight: 293.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.18.
    Projected Round (2014): 6-FA.
    12/7/13: Miller had an impressive start to the season helping set up freshman Trey Edmunds to run for 132 yards against Alabama. Miller also played well against Georgia Tech and North Carolina. He was named the ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week for his performance against the Yellow Jackets. Miller was solid against Miami.

    8/7/13: Miller's 2012 season was cut short after seven games when he went down with a season-ending ankle injury. Virginia Tech missed him while he was out. He had an excellent debut at center in 2011. The first-year starter did a superb job in run blocking for running back David Wilson and quarterback Logan Thomas. The Hokies had a lot of success running up the middle, and Miller was a big part of that.

    The redshirt senior is a leader of the program and needs a big season to get get drafted. Miller also needs to add more weight to his frame.

    Personal: Agribusiness major. Son of Johnny Miller and the late Linda Miller.


  16. Macky MacPherson, C, Syracuse
    Height: 6-2. Weight: 286.
    Projected 40 Time: 5.02.
    Projected Round (2014): 7-FA.
    12/7/13: Syracuse has had a rough start to this season. He looks very undersized and would be better as a developmental player on the practice squad.

    8/7/13: MacPherson is a solid blocker, but is extremely undersized. He had a strong 2012 season blocking for Ryan Nassib. MacPherson did a nice job of keeping a clean pocket. He broke into the starting lineup in 2011 as a sophomore.

    MacPherson really needs to add some bulk for the NFL. Helping him to appeal to scouts is his long-snapping ability. Even if the senior can add weight, he only really projects to a zone-blocking scheme.

    Personal: Geography major. Son of Maureen MacPherson. Grandson of former Syracuse head coach and College Football Hall of Fame inductee Dick MacPherson.

 

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With linemen, the 40 time is not the key, the shuttle and 3 cone drills, the splits for the 40, what is it at 10, 15 & 20 yards. those are the important numbers, after size & strength of course. The quicker the better. As you saw, this current line cannot pull, they can't run screens.....

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I honestly don't care about 40 unless it is crazy low. My question is what kind of OL do your want? The quick small zone blocking kind or the big mauling road graders. I prefer the road graders. I find it more reliable for getting the job done.

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PLenty of good tight ends who block very well and can get down field, catch the ball with their hands. Georgia has one, though he dropped a key one, two, in the Bowl game, he is outstanding and can be had likely in the 3rd or 4th.

 

I expect the Ravens will trade down in the first, toward the end, maybe even out of the first. The top OT's will be gone by 17 and the rest are solid starters but 2n and third rounders, same for receivers. Though if miracles of miracles happens and Watkins some how misteriously falls to 17, they grab him in 1 second of coming on the clock.... :bleh:

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