papasmurfbell Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 And his feet would have dragged in bounds for the TD. But it was in no way going to get picked off. I am guessing you have heard the term about a spot where only my guy can get it. Quote
vmax Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Why woudl I be joking that Joe and the guys he throws to should work out all the bugs in their game? Other than Daniels and SS nobody was totally on the same page with Joe. I think it is from Daniels being experienced in this system and Smith being a consummate pro and being able to adapt. Working with guys is more for the guys Joe throws to than him. I would say Unitas, Berry, and Moore knew what they were talking about. i know all about Unitas and Berry working out and that was evenings after practice. They had jobs in the off season. 1. There is more than enough opportunity for them to get down timing and chemistry during OTA's and Training camp....plus the 5 day grind each week between games (another 16 weeks worth).2. What can they accomplish on some high school football field? In a few hours? There's nobody to press and defend or rush. How nice would it be for Torrey or somebody to blow an ACL stepping in a hole/divot on some non NFL field.2A....and I don't want Joe unwinding and throwing all out until his arm strength is 100%. It would bee too cool for him to blow something out because he is not in shape.3. Joe's been throwing the ball to Torrey for 4 years. The reps have to be in the thousands. Thousands of them.4. Torrey has hit his ceiling. He's not going to get better. What you see is what you get with Torrey. He has a significant body of work to make it plain to see the weakness in his game. He'll never be a #1. He's not tough enough. He can't break press coverage. He has a limited route tree where he's an effective weapon. He disappears.5.Yea...All that 2 hours on one or 2 Saturdays in the Spring can accomplish is to shut your yap that this is all they need to be great. If they don't do it, then this will be your great insight as to why Torrey drops passes, has trouble getting open unless it's a go route, doesn't see the ball, doesn't fight for the ball and still catches with his chest. 6. 4 Friggn'n Years of Torrey running the same route and Joe throwing the same pass...and a couple of Saturday afternoons in the off season will change everything. 51 NFL players got more catches than Torrey this year. 51. 42 averaged more yards per catch. 42.What kind of dent in these numbers do you see a couple of Saturdays in the off season playing pitch and catch will do? 3 Quote
dc. Posted January 12, 2015 Author Posted January 12, 2015 Why woudl I be joking that Joe and the guys he throws to should work out all the bugs in their game? Other than Daniels and SS nobody was totally on the same page with Joe. I think it is from Daniels being experienced in this system and Smith being a consummate pro and being able to adapt. Working with guys is more for the guys Joe throws to than him. I would say Unitas, Berry, and Moore knew what they were talking about.. Is there benefit to extra hours? Yes. Will qbs still make bad throws? Yes. Is there any way to know which throws are "wrong page" and which are just misses? Not for a lot of them. Quote
vmax Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 . Is there benefit to extra hours? Yes. Will qbs still make bad throws? Yes. Is there any way to know which throes are "wrong page" and which are just misses? Not for a lot of them. Let me answer for papa... All wrong page throws and missed throws would not happen if Joe and Torrey played pitch and catch for 2 Saturdays in the off season on some high school field. Quote
Spen Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Yeah ....the comradery they would have grown over that weekend in April could have meant Torrey would've went up and fought for that ball.I do not think we will see a better post here this week than this one. 1 Quote
oldno82 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 i know all about Unitas and Berry working out and that was evenings after practice. They had jobs in the off season. 1. There is more than enough opportunity for them to get down timing and chemistry during OTA's and Training camp....plus the 5 day grind each week between games (another 16 weeks worth).2. What can they accomplish on some high school football field? In a few hours? There's nobody to press and defend or rush. How nice would it be for Torrey or somebody to blow an ACL stepping in a hole/divot on some non NFL field.2A....and I don't want Joe unwinding and throwing all out until his arm strength is 100%. It would bee too cool for him to blow something out because he is not in shape.3. Joe's been throwing the ball to Torrey for 4 years. The reps have to be in the thousands. Thousands of them.4. Torrey has hit his ceiling. He's not going to get better. What you see is what you get with Torrey. He has a significant body of work to make it plain to see the weakness in his game. He'll never be a #1. He's not tough enough. He can't break press coverage. He has a limited route tree where he's an effective weapon. He disappears.5.Yea...All that 2 hours on one or 2 Saturdays in the Spring can accomplish is to shut your yap that this is all they need to be great. If they don't do it, then this will be your great insight as to why Torrey drops passes, has trouble getting open unless it's a go route, doesn't see the ball, doesn't fight for the ball and still catches with his chest. 6. 4 Friggn'n Years of Torrey running the same route and Joe throwing the same pass...and a couple of Saturday afternoons in the off season will change everything. 51 NFL players got more catches than Torrey this year. 51. 42 averaged more yards per catch. 42.What kind of dent in these numbers do you see a couple of Saturdays in the off season playing pitch and catch will do? I wanted to vote this a plus more than once but the site wouldn't let me!! (Maybe if the moderators had gotten together and practiced on weekends they could have gotten my multiple votes to work) Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 i know all about Unitas and Berry working out and that was evenings after practice. They had jobs in the off season. 1. There is more than enough opportunity for them to get down timing and chemistry during OTA's and Training camp....plus the 5 day grind each week between games (another 16 weeks worth).2. What can they accomplish on some high school football field? In a few hours? There's nobody to press and defend or rush. How nice would it be for Torrey or somebody to blow an ACL stepping in a hole/divot on some non NFL field.2A....and I don't want Joe unwinding and throwing all out until his arm strength is 100%. It would bee too cool for him to blow something out because he is not in shape.3. Joe's been throwing the ball to Torrey for 4 years. The reps have to be in the thousands. Thousands of them.4. Torrey has hit his ceiling. He's not going to get better. What you see is what you get with Torrey. He has a significant body of work to make it plain to see the weakness in his game. He'll never be a #1. He's not tough enough. He can't break press coverage. He has a limited route tree where he's an effective weapon. He disappears.5.Yea...All that 2 hours on one or 2 Saturdays in the Spring can accomplish is to shut your yap that this is all they need to be great. If they don't do it, then this will be your great insight as to why Torrey drops passes, has trouble getting open unless it's a go route, doesn't see the ball, doesn't fight for the ball and still catches with his chest. 6. 4 Friggn'n Years of Torrey running the same route and Joe throwing the same pass...and a couple of Saturday afternoons in the off season will change everything. 51 NFL players got more catches than Torrey this year. 51. 42 averaged more yards per catch. 42.What kind of dent in these numbers do you see a couple of Saturdays in the off season playing pitch and catch will do?So I guess the big QB's who do it in the league that have more consistency are wasting their time. . Is there benefit to extra hours? Yes. Will qbs still make bad throws? Yes. Is there any way to know which throws are "wrong page" and which are just misses? Not for a lot of them.The bad throw and the more time working together are two differnt things. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Oh with the rfiring of John Fox and his entire staff in Denver makes for an interesting situation. Would Kubes change his mind on coming back if he got to go back there? Quote
OutsideRzAcE Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Does anyone think the Denver opening will change things for Kubiak? Quote
OutsideRzAcE Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Oh with the rfiring of John Fox and his entire staff in Denver makes for an interesting situation. Would Kubes change his mind on coming back if he got to go back there I gotta think Denver will have their eye on a more splashy hire. It's not like they necessarily need an offensive specialist like Chicago. Still - I am worried. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 That was what I was wondering. Going back home per se and working with Elway again. Quote
oldno82 Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I can't read minds but I think Kubes stays here. By the way, Bisciotti ought to give him more money and a longer contract. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 I gotta think Denver will have their eye on a more splashy hire. It's not like they necessarily need an offensive specialist like Chicago. Still - I am worried. Actually I think that is just what they need. They need help on a more reliable running game. Quote
tsylvester Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Manning is likely to retire, especially now. I doubt Kubs goes there, even if Manning stays, he only has a year if that left in him. Once you start pulling & ripping muscles at his age, they don't heal right........... Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Don't tell Skip Bayless he only has a yr left. Quote
vmax Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Does anyone think the Denver opening will change things for Kubiak? No...that ship is sinking real bad. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 If you wanted the stadium to be a mega church. Quote
vmax Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 It was Super Bowl or Bust this year for Denver.The window is closed now. Quote
deeshopper Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Some of Manning's long balls looked horrendous. Quote
vmax Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Some of Manning's long balls looked horrendous. That was his best effort. That is all he can do by this time of the season.It's over in Denver. Quote
thundercleetz Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Aaron Wilson is tweeting Kubiak was aware of the Denver-Fox rumors yesterday and took them into account when making his decision to stay. Kubiak didn't have to announce his intention to stay as quickly as he did, so I believe AW's story. AW also tweeted that Kubiak is building a home in OM. Quote
OutsideRzAcE Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 AW also tweeted that Kubiak is building a home in OM. Quote
vmax Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Where's OM? Owings Mills? Can we say Dynasty!?! You know we're spoiled...playoffs 6 out of 7 years and looking real good for 2015. Quote
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