oldno82

Yes, I know but we'd still save significant cap room. 20-24% would be Joe's share of the cap in 2016 and 2017. The dead money is ugly but the escalating cap hits are uglier. Like I said, I like Joe and would like him to stay here but only with a reasonable cap hit.

Yes but you can't afford to spend 20% of your total cap (and increasing the next year) for 53 guys year after year starting next year. Better to take the dead money than commit that much of your resources on one guy. I like Joe and think he can be effective with the right supporting cast but I can't see devoting that much of the cap to one guy. If you do that you wind up talent poor at the other positions and we already are.

I agree with that strategy. And so far as going around his agent directly to Joe, now would be a good time to start with him here in Baltimore. If Joe goes for a rework that sustanially drops his cap hit, then keep him. If he doesn't, we have to let him go. The dead money would be unwelcome but at $3 million less that the cap hit we take if he doesn't rework the contract, we can improve the team. 2016 would be another tough year without Joe and you probably wouldn't see great improvement in 2017 either. By 2018 the Ravens should be potent again. This is a long haul issue [DC edit: I hit edit not quote by accident, sorry. Fixed now. Reply below. Working in phone has limits]

Would love to have him back. I wonder if he'd take if offered.

I also saw Trestman have Joe roll out after a play action fake. Joe did well with that under Kubiak. Maybe Trestman is figuring things out.

I agree, Crav.

OK. Well so far I'm inclined to think he may have a continuing problem that might not just 'go away'. If he doesn't practice this season at all, he's really going to have to be something special to return as a starter next year.

All good posts. I'm hoping he's not thinking of selling. I don't think that's his style but I do know he felt really beaten down with the Ray Rice thing and talked about wondering if owning a team was worth the hassle. He's got to be feeling down now and probably more than a little at a loss as to what to do.

You're welcome, 'Nado.

Can anyone imagine what he must be thinking at this point???

Definitely very bad and the fact that the games have been close doesn't mean anything to me. That's the difference between teams that go to the playoffs and those that don't.

This article makes it sound like it won't be lifelong: http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2015/8/21/9182471/perrimans-injury-and-past-medical-history-is-there-cause-for-concern

I'm beginning to wonder if he'll ever be back.

I think part of the problem is more him lacking chemistry, hell even familarity, with the changing set of receivers he's had. Same is true in our secondary. Both the receivers (most of them) and secondary are really practice squad guys on most teams.

Cardinals 41 Ravens 13.

Yup...Jacksonville. After that only 1 more. Looks like a 3-11 year unless the defense catches fire.

I would be reluctant to fire Harbs. It's possible but I don't see anyone else out there that has his record and a Super Bowl win. Organizations that hold the line on coaches do seem to be the most stable and most able to right themselves. Now the FO is a different story. I wonder if the game has passed Ozzie by. We went into this season with only one possible deep threat on offense and he got hurt on the first day of camp and hasn't practiced since. Also, Oz is responsible for the mess in the secondary. Webb's career here has taken a nose dive for the past 3 years. Jimmy Smith is good but isn't a shutdown corner. The other guys back there are just a bunch of guys who couldn't cut it elsewhere. Oz should have known more about this during the offseason. To cut him some slack though, let's remember the cap hell we've been in since the Ray Rice fiasco started. It's hard to sign quality free agents when you can't pay them. I'm willing to give Oz another year to up the talent on this team because (if Joe restructures) we should emerge from cap hell next season. Getting Joe's numbers down is going to be big battle this off-season. They need to get it done by the time free agency opens so we have more room to pay talented free agents. I'm not sure Joe's agent will move that fast if he moves at all. Crap, after the QB's we've been playing with before Joe, I hate to say this but if his cap numbers don't come down significantly we ought to trade him. So I think Bisciotti stays the course for one more year. If there's no improvement by then, it's time to get some new FO personnel.

This is definitely the most sensible analysis.

Yes they have both been here for 7 years.

Not so sure Joe will restructure. He's a good, sensible guy but his agent is a--hole. I think we need to restructure or cut him. And I agree that we need to develop the next QB through the draft and a WR through free agency. Coaching has become a problem. I don't see any fire or confidence on this team with the exception of SSS and he's leaving. "Play Like a Raven' is becoming a joke. It may be that Harbaugh may not be the best guy to rebuild a team with. But I have no idea who his replacement might be.

And what do you see us getting in return? And why would a team want to pick up a $29 million contract?

Is it possible we're going to go 1-15? Are we the most pathetic team in the NFL right now, especially with all the injuries?

Well welcome back!

There's been no fire in the defense since Pagano left. 'Play Like a Raven' is now an empty phrase on D.